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Guess it's not over.
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
Who honestly didn't see this coming?
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I knew it was the most likely outcome, but I thought it was done fairly well. He made what could have just been a mundane reveal into a pretty big **** move that helped characterize Aizen as... a ****.
I also kind of like seeing nice characters being kicked when they're down, I'm not a good person.
Not really. We knew he had this power. He's used it before. It wasn't very unexpected that he was using it now. The author also engaged in some massive foreshadowing with the whole "Obi wan Ichigo, you're our only hope," speech. We all knew he ould use it, we jsut didn't know at what point in the fight he would. Apparently that point is now.
Edited, Feb 11th 2010 2:43pm by Allegory
I also kind of like seeing nice characters being kicked when they're down, I'm not a good person.
lolgaxe wrote:
Deus Ex Machina.
Not really. We knew he had this power. He's used it before. It wasn't very unexpected that he was using it now. The author also engaged in some massive foreshadowing with the whole "Obi wan Ichigo, you're our only hope," speech. We all knew he ould use it, we jsut didn't know at what point in the fight he would. Apparently that point is now.
Edited, Feb 11th 2010 2:43pm by Allegory
Wow.. Aizen used his zanpakutou's ability to make people attack the wrong person. No one could of figured that would be the case -_- . Ah well, at least this perhaps means we got that out of the way and can see some actual fighting.
I'm kinda thankful it was done this way instead of a few chapters of people fighting each other thinking the other was Aizen. At least they know now at this point they won't be able to fight him.
I'm kinda thankful it was done this way instead of a few chapters of people fighting each other thinking the other was Aizen. At least they know now at this point they won't be able to fight him.
Allegory wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Deus Ex Machina.
Just kind of annoyed is all. All the secondary and tertiary characters have more interesting powers than the main ones.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
What I'm not sure I understand is when the "switch" occurred. Can he even do that? Is swapping bodies under the realm of his power? Someone explain to me the chain of events if you can...
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Vataro wrote:
What I'm not sure I understand is when the "switch" occurred. Can he even do that? Is swapping bodies under the realm of his power? Someone explain to me the chain of events if you can...
Aizen's power is absolute hyponosis, while not being fully explain seems to allow him near total control of the senses. So at any time he can make those under its influence see, hear, smell anything.
Sequence of events.
1. People attack Aizen.
2. Sometime during the fight, Aizen creates an illusion of himself to continue the fight, and he flash steps over to Hinamori.
3. Aizen picks up Hinamori and flash steps back into teh fray, setting her up in his place.
4. Aizen flash steps back to where Hinamori used to be and lies down on teh ground.
5. Gin rolls his eyes.
6. Aizen tells Gin to shut up "'cause this will be totally dramatic."
7. Aizen reveals.
During this whole time Ichigo is like "W-T-F mates?" but no one can hear him because Aizen is controlling their senses.
Allegory wrote:
Vataro wrote:
What I'm not sure I understand is when the "switch" occurred. Can he even do that? Is swapping bodies under the realm of his power? Someone explain to me the chain of events if you can...
Aizen's power is absolute hyponosis, while not being fully explain seems to allow him near total control of the senses. So at any time he can make those under its influence see, hear, smell anything.
Sequence of events.
1. People attack Aizen.
2. Sometime during the fight, Aizen creates an illusion of himself to continue the fight, and he flash steps over to Hinamori.
3. Aizen picks up Hinamori and flash steps back into teh fray, setting her up in his place.
4. Aizen flash steps back to where Hinamori used to be and lies down on teh ground.
5. Gin rolls his eyes.
6. Aizen tells Gin to shut up "'cause this will be totally dramatic."
7. Aizen reveals.
During this whole time Ichigo is like "W-T-F mates?" but no one can hear him because Aizen is controlling their senses.
I actually thought that he might have even used his power to influence Momo to go up there of her own power.
It's certainly within his realm of possibility.
And the fact that he used Momo as the dog to kick is pretty fitting.
Edited, Feb 11th 2010 11:50pm by IDrownFish
IDrownFish wrote:
I actually thought that he might have even used his power to influence Momo to go up there of her own power.
1) That the kind of thing you put in spoiler tags (since it did just come out today).
2) She was pretty darn injured already.
3) I don't believe Aizen has the ability to control people. He can make them hear, see, smell, taste, feel whatever he wants, but he can't break their will and mind control them. At best he could have made Hinamori think there was some exceptionally delicious cake where Hitsugaya was about to stab his blade.
Edited, Feb 11th 2010 10:07pm by Allegory
IDrownFish wrote:
Allegory wrote:
Vataro wrote:
What I'm not sure I understand is when the "switch" occurred. Can he even do that? Is swapping bodies under the realm of his power? Someone explain to me the chain of events if you can...
Aizen's power is absolute hyponosis, while not being fully explain seems to allow him near total control of the senses. So at any time he can make those under its influence see, hear, smell anything.
Sequence of events.
1. People attack Aizen.
2. Sometime during the fight, Aizen creates an illusion of himself to continue the fight, and he flash steps over to Hinamori.
3. Aizen picks up Hinamori and flash steps back into teh fray, setting her up in his place.
4. Aizen flash steps back to where Hinamori used to be and lies down on teh ground.
5. Gin rolls his eyes.
6. Aizen tells Gin to shut up "'cause this will be totally dramatic."
7. Aizen reveals.
During this whole time Ichigo is like "W-T-F mates?" but no one can hear him because Aizen is controlling their senses.
I actually thought that he might have even used his power to influence Momo to go up there of her own power.
It's certainly within his realm of possibility.
and the fact that he used Momo as the dog to kick is pretty fitting.
That's what didn't make sense to me. How he got her up there to be stabbed... but I suppose it could have all happened within a very short time frame.
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Allegory wrote:
I don't believe Aizen has the ability to control people. He can make them hear, see, smell, taste, feel whatever he wants, but he can't break their will and mind control them. At best he could have made Hinamori think there was some exceptionally delicious cake where Hitsugaya was about to stab his blade.
I don't think that he actually did use his power to force her to go up there. I just think that he used his power to make her experience something that would make her want to go up there.
All I'm saying is that it's possible.
Edited, Feb 11th 2010 11:52pm by IDrownFish
Vataro wrote:
That's what didn't make sense to me. How he got her up there to be stabbed... but I suppose it could have all happened within a very short time frame.
1) He has all the time in the world. He could have them fight the illusion for a minute, 5 minutes, or an hour. They may never have been fighting the real him. He could have even done the swap before Ichigo even arrived).
2) Aizen is supposedly good at everything, including flash steps. The swap could have been done very quickly.[/spoiler[
**** his power, seriously. 
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Allegory wrote:
Vataro wrote:
That's what didn't make sense to me. How he got her up there to be stabbed... but I suppose it could have all happened within a very short time frame.
1) He has all the time in the world. He could have them fight the illusion for a minute, 5 minutes, or an hour. They may never have been fighting the real him. He could have even done the swap before Ichigo even arrived).
2) Aizen is supposedly good at everything, including flash steps. The swap could have been done very quickly.[/spoiler[
True, he'ld have to be pretty quick for Ichigo not being able to interfere at all. Still a bit odd though, Ichigo must have seen them attack Aizen himself up to the switch and then not have been able to interfere when Aizen made that switch. And then he just slashes them all instantly, without Ichigo doing a thing, nice ally!
Given that the author is on a break so he can work on a few more chapters, this can still take some time.
Zieveraar wrote:
Allegory wrote:
Vataro wrote:
That's what didn't make sense to me. How he got her up there to be stabbed... but I suppose it could have all happened within a very short time frame.
1) He has all the time in the world. He could have them fight the illusion for a minute, 5 minutes, or an hour. They may never have been fighting the real him. He could have even done the swap before Ichigo even arrived).
2) Aizen is supposedly good at everything, including flash steps. The swap could have been done very quickly.[/spoiler[
True, he'ld have to be pretty quick for Ichigo not being able to interfere at all. Still a bit odd though, Ichigo must have seen them attack Aizen himself up to the switch and then not have been able to interfere when Aizen made that switch. And then he just slashes them all instantly, without Ichigo doing a thing, nice ally!
Given that the author is on a break so he can work on a few more chapters, this can still take some time.
Wait, what? Are you assuming that this battle will be the end of Bleach?
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Zieveraar wrote:
Allegory wrote:
Vataro wrote:
That's what didn't make sense to me. How he got her up there to be stabbed... but I suppose it could have all happened within a very short time frame.
1) He has all the time in the world. He could have them fight the illusion for a minute, 5 minutes, or an hour. They may never have been fighting the real him. He could have even done the swap before Ichigo even arrived).
2) Aizen is supposedly good at everything, including flash steps. The swap could have been done very quickly.[/spoiler[
True, he'ld have to be pretty quick for Ichigo not being able to interfere at all. Still a bit odd though, Ichigo must have seen them attack Aizen himself up to the switch and then not have been able to interfere when Aizen made that switch. And then he just slashes them all instantly, without Ichigo doing a thing, nice ally!
Given that the author is on a break so he can work on a few more chapters, this can still take some time.
Wait, what? Are you assuming that this battle will be the end of Bleach?
I'm not taking anything for granted, although I have to admit it's unlikely. It wouldn't surprise me though.
I've got to say, Wonderweiss's Ressurecion scares the hell out of me.
Edited, Feb 25th 2010 8:02pm by IDrownFish
Edited, Feb 25th 2010 8:02pm by IDrownFish
IDrownFish wrote:
I've got so say, Wonderweisse's Ressurecion scares the hell out of me.
The willingness of Yamamoto to simply kill everyone and be done with it was pretty scary too.
Wonderweisse is an easy way of the author to deal with characters that are more powerful than Aizen I suppose, although that does mean that Aizen isn't all powerful, even with his hypnosis he could have lost. A nice set-up for Ichigo, like the kid doesn't alraedy have enough self-esteem issues and then sees every single captain slaughtered in a matter of seconds.
I'm kind of looking forward to the old guy biting it.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
I'm kind of looking forward to the old guy biting it.
Nah, so far none have received mortal wounds apparently, I doubt the old guy dies now, it seems to be the perfect time for Ichigo to jump in and try to save the day. Well, when I say none were mortally wounded, I doubt Hinamori lives. Although nothing is certain I suppose.
Edited, Feb 25th 2010 3:21pm by Zieveraar
I'm actually okay with this particular incarnation of "you would win... but I have this!". It was built up enough without being obvious that it works.
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I'm actually okay with this particular incarnation of "you would win... but I have this!". It was built up enough without being obvious that it works.
If its not the main character killing the main bad guy(or one given enough screen/panel time), then it is obvious something is going to happen.
But yes there was some effort put toward building it up which was nice. Had been waiting to see what weird thing Wonderweisse could do.
I just noticed this thread has been going on for over a year now. And look how far we've come... 
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There is a year of materiel ahead of the anime, and they will still be on filler for quite some time. Grrr >:3
Yea, and the anime is currently doing filler episodes within their filler arc =/. The way I see it though, I already know what's going to happen in the main storyline so the continuation of this arc is fine with me. 
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