Not sure if you guys already saw this but here's a list of some of the players who downloaded Maury(two)'s botting program who play on our server (some have already been banned). In my personal opinion these players are cheaters who should be blacklisted and no one should play with these players at all. The date shown is the date they downloaded the program.
The original source for this list is this website:
http://www.euphidime.com/
Cerberus
Jersey 2006-11-27
Takedown 2006-11-27
Spyre 2006-12-01
Smoothie 2006-12-06
Felixs 2007-01-11
Sigs 2007-01-11
Andreas 2007-01-11
Belmoth 2007-01-11
Guily 2007-01-11
Deathgazer 2007-01-11
Dutch 2007-01-11
Arwan 2007-01-12
Shibby 2007-01-15
Ogaldes 2007-01-15
Brook 2007-01-16
Kodaijin 2007-01-28
Jeryhn 2007-01-28
Joboo 2007-02-12
Hitokirin 2007-02-19
Cataclysm 2007-02-25
Genshu 2007-02-25
Aggelos 2007-03-02
Emnavaud 2007-03-17
Treelo 2007-03-17
Sylvana 2007-03-21
Yamaex 2007-03-25
Dahlgren 2007-03-26
Imagndat 2007-03-26
Nirvana 2007-03-26
Nariko 2007-03-29
Pent 2007-03-31
Samaliel 2007-03-31
Sano 2007-04-02
Finneramos 2007-04-03
Fataru 2007-04-05
Chibichibii 2007-04-07
Tunnelrat 2007-04-08
Balaaan 2007-04-13
Jizmak 2007-04-18
Chrysa 2007-05-15
Megido 2007-05-15
Glimda 2007-05-26
Mysk 2006-04-23
Raspyoftow 2006-05-19
Stryker 2006-06-19
Visiontre 2006-07-03
Nadien 2006-07-23
Galivar 2006-07-30
Zixia 2006-08-07
Liquido 2006-08-27
Jynow 2006-09-08
Alphonese 2006-09-26
Travler 2006-10-06
Champlaine 2006-11-24
Chopperino 2006-11-06
Yawe 2006-11-06
Makavelli 2007-04-04
Imagndat 2007-05-15
Megido 2007-05-15
Trickshot 2007-05-15
Glim 2007-05-15
Delpi 2007-05-26
Fataru 2007-05-26
Glimda 2007-05-26
Taia 2007-06-13
Pretaanluxxis 2007-06-17
Fishbonez 2007-06-20
Captstabbin 2007-07-01
Aramiso 2007-07-05
Rudeboi 2007-07-12
Susano 2007-07-20
Longshot 2007-07-27
Hairypeen 2007-09-19
Trauma 2007-09-06
Kumer 2007-09-11
Aonghas 2007-09-18
Hugepeen 2007-09-19
Shriveledpeen 2007-09-20
Galpeen 2007-09-20
Smellypoo 2007-09-20
Motherglobe 2007-09-22
Natasdrol 2007-09-22
Ellipsis 2007-09-23
Spongebob 2007-09-29
There are other players who are listed in the section at the bottom for unkown server but a LOT of them are from our server. Cerberus seems to be on of the worst servers for this. I highly suggest you check out that Unkown server section at the bottom - the site again is http://www.euphidime.com/
also if you click on their name on that website it will take you to their AH activity via ffxiah.com
(editted spelling)
Edited, Oct 9th 2007 11:41am by NOiSEA
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These CERBERUS players downloaded Maury's botting programFollow
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Surprised? Not at all.
Tik
Tik
No, I'm not surprised. It's nice to see it all validated though.
Yeah what's the big deal? What does FFXI app do?
If its a windower, I know others who use something similar.
If its a windower, I know others who use something similar.
There is such a thread on the main forum already.....
Even I really do not like botting, but this is a forum for useful discussion to exchange ideas and requests for help; it is not a Hall of Shame. In the end... even if you post the Hall of Shame here, I do not really see a lot of surprises (well some to be honest:P). So what real new information we get anyway?
I really see no point of glorifying an already well known fact .... with some "evidence" by a hacker. I am not defending hacking or botting (in fact I really hate it), but really... drama is not really that interesting. What Taj and you do is just stir up new issues that really do not benefit the community as a whole. I can post my list of my Hall of Shame, but I really feel no point of doing that.
Basically some cheats tools created by a banned player called Maury :P (He even has a website for that).
Edited, Oct 9th 2007 3:00pm by scchan
Even I really do not like botting, but this is a forum for useful discussion to exchange ideas and requests for help; it is not a Hall of Shame. In the end... even if you post the Hall of Shame here, I do not really see a lot of surprises (well some to be honest:P). So what real new information we get anyway?
I really see no point of glorifying an already well known fact .... with some "evidence" by a hacker. I am not defending hacking or botting (in fact I really hate it), but really... drama is not really that interesting. What Taj and you do is just stir up new issues that really do not benefit the community as a whole. I can post my list of my Hall of Shame, but I really feel no point of doing that.
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Yeah what's the big deal? What does FFXI app do?
Basically some cheats tools created by a banned player called Maury :P (He even has a website for that).
Edited, Oct 9th 2007 3:00pm by scchan
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
No, this is not just a windower - this is a program for claiming NM's. Its far worse than just using a windower. A windower can be used for good or for bad purposes - its up to the user, but this program can only be used for cheating.
A windower is kind of like a "gateway" hack while this is more of a "hardcore" cheat.
A windower is kind of like a "gateway" hack while this is more of a "hardcore" cheat.
3 posts
It's not simply a windower.
It does the following:
Advanced NM Claiming Bot
Time Of Death Bot
Tell Detection
Magic Skillup Bot
Powerlevel Bot
Recast Counter
Utsusemi Counter
On Event Bot
Fish Bot/Hack
Edited, Oct 9th 2007 3:06pm by Lunair
It does the following:
Advanced NM Claiming Bot
Time Of Death Bot
Tell Detection
Magic Skillup Bot
Powerlevel Bot
Recast Counter
Utsusemi Counter
On Event Bot
Fish Bot/Hack
Edited, Oct 9th 2007 3:06pm by Lunair
Actually amanada what I want is to play the game without these cheaters claiming NMs before honest players have a chance. By calling it "drama" instead of outcasting these players you are looking the other way which helps the cheating whether you participate in it or not. I have known you for a long time and I'm sure you don't condone their actions, but to hear you kind of stick up for them is saddening...
The difference between the post here and on the main forum is to localize it for Cerberus, because that is the server we play on, rather than the general post on the main forum for all servers.
The honest players should prosper, not the cheaters
The difference between the post here and on the main forum is to localize it for Cerberus, because that is the server we play on, rather than the general post on the main forum for all servers.
The honest players should prosper, not the cheaters
I don't believe Ama is sticking up for those individuals, rather he is suggesting to leave this type of posting off the boards as it does not add anything productive to the game.
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I don't believe Ama is sticking up for those individuals, rather he is suggesting to leave this type of posting off the boards as it does not add anything productive to the game.
It is little more than that.
That Taj page is nothing more than witch hunting when you are being unbiased, and that alleged list adds no new solution but just more annoyance and drama.
It has nothing to do ... say if I hate Takedown or not (I do not like him). But posting a bunch of names (with Takedown in the list) that I have no idea where it comes from does not means much. Believing Taj's arbitrary unknown list is like believing all those trash from pundits, politicians, and magazines on the check out counters of supermarket. At least pundits and politicians are little more legit than a hacker :P
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Amanada,
You know that list isn't arbitrary - how could it be so accurate? The guy doesn't have hundreds of enemies on each server that he wants to damage the reputation of and you know that - those names don't just happen by chance to be mostly players with adaman hauberks and ridils.... That Taj guy isn't even from our server - he doesn't have any grudge with those players. Wether you know how he got it or not, you can't look at that list and say he just made that up. The chances of him knowing the names of those players on every server just by chance are not fathomable. Look through the list of Unkown server people and you will see people that we know were banned for botting on our server. How can you say its biased at all?
This post does belong on this forum because we on Cerberus are the ones who can blacklist and exclude these players and players who associate with these players - not the people on the main forums who are mostly from other servers.
You know that list isn't arbitrary - how could it be so accurate? The guy doesn't have hundreds of enemies on each server that he wants to damage the reputation of and you know that - those names don't just happen by chance to be mostly players with adaman hauberks and ridils.... That Taj guy isn't even from our server - he doesn't have any grudge with those players. Wether you know how he got it or not, you can't look at that list and say he just made that up. The chances of him knowing the names of those players on every server just by chance are not fathomable. Look through the list of Unkown server people and you will see people that we know were banned for botting on our server. How can you say its biased at all?
This post does belong on this forum because we on Cerberus are the ones who can blacklist and exclude these players and players who associate with these players - not the people on the main forums who are mostly from other servers.
I am going to give up arguing about this Taj thing as no one really believe in critical and independent thinking anymore.
I just found a good quote on the main forum that describes my mind when I see that list:
Add:
I am always amazed at the human capacity to imitate the vulture, and this thread is a shining example of it. If anything this advances my misanthropy to unthinkable levels.
One of the finest quotes in the thread, most certainly. :D
By this point, I have learned never to underestimate humanity's capacity for stupidity, or the ignorance of mob mentality.
While on a smaller scale here, it's the same kind of garbage that started the Witch Trials long ago, or even refused the idea that the earth wasn't the center of the universe. :P
Burn 'em all and sort it out later, I guess.
Realistically, if someone was on that list claiming they cheat, it wouldn't matter how good their argument to the contrary was, would it? There will always be people posting with this simple logic train:
"You = list"
"List = cheat"
"You = cheat...!!!!"
It may be all cheaters on the list, it may be half true, it may even be true for all but one single person. Unfortunately, no one has that information right now, so it's easiest to lump everyone together, close your eyes and ears, and open your mouth, I suppose.
It's really sad that no one, not one single person, has a defense against that.... no matter what they say. The list did the judging for many people here, and that's all the evidence they will ever need. :/
It's not new behavior, but it sure is saddening... it gets frustrating to see it time and time again.
Even if the list turned out to be 100% true, it's still disappointing behavior. :/ Shame that it won't change.
Edited, Oct 9th 2007 10:16pm by scchan
I just found a good quote on the main forum that describes my mind when I see that list:
Add:
Quote:
Quote:
I am always amazed at the human capacity to imitate the vulture, and this thread is a shining example of it. If anything this advances my misanthropy to unthinkable levels.
One of the finest quotes in the thread, most certainly. :D
By this point, I have learned never to underestimate humanity's capacity for stupidity, or the ignorance of mob mentality.
While on a smaller scale here, it's the same kind of garbage that started the Witch Trials long ago, or even refused the idea that the earth wasn't the center of the universe. :P
Burn 'em all and sort it out later, I guess.
Realistically, if someone was on that list claiming they cheat, it wouldn't matter how good their argument to the contrary was, would it? There will always be people posting with this simple logic train:
"You = list"
"List = cheat"
"You = cheat...!!!!"
It may be all cheaters on the list, it may be half true, it may even be true for all but one single person. Unfortunately, no one has that information right now, so it's easiest to lump everyone together, close your eyes and ears, and open your mouth, I suppose.
It's really sad that no one, not one single person, has a defense against that.... no matter what they say. The list did the judging for many people here, and that's all the evidence they will ever need. :/
It's not new behavior, but it sure is saddening... it gets frustrating to see it time and time again.
Even if the list turned out to be 100% true, it's still disappointing behavior. :/ Shame that it won't change.
Edited, Oct 9th 2007 10:16pm by scchan
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Amanada, you and I have had only limited contact.
However, I feel that you tend to insert yourself into situations that don't require such feedback. Note my wording, I'm not trying to insult you. I'm simply stating my observation.
This, if true, isn't so much of a these-guys-are-botters list as it is a people-to-avoid-dealing-with list. And that absolutely -does- have a place on the server forum.
Also:
YES. Shame on you three, you were my friends. I really thought better of you.
No. XD
However, I feel that you tend to insert yourself into situations that don't require such feedback. Note my wording, I'm not trying to insult you. I'm simply stating my observation.
This, if true, isn't so much of a these-guys-are-botters list as it is a people-to-avoid-dealing-with list. And that absolutely -does- have a place on the server forum.
Also:
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Genshu 2007-02-25
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Tunnelrat 2007-04-08
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Makavelli 2007-04-04
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Surprised?
YES. Shame on you three, you were my friends. I really thought better of you.
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Takedown 2006-11-27
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Surprised?
No. XD
scchan wrote:
I am going to give up arguing about this Taj thing as no one really believe in critical and independent thinking anymore.
but this is a forum for useful discussion to exchange ideas and requests for help
but this is a forum for useful discussion to exchange ideas and requests for help
Your such a baby on this forum. I'd love for this forum to have useful discussion and idea exchanges, but unfortunately its become your personal blog space.
Agreed, Speedly.
Most of the names on the list don't surprise me a great deal. If I hadn't suspected at first when I met said players, subsequent events changed my mind.
Personally I couldn't disagree more. A server forum by definition deals with the server and everything in it; that doesn't mean only exchange of ideas and requests for help, in my mind. These players are clearly issues for our server. Just because you use the forum for a certain purpose doesn't mean that others should refrain from straying from that.
The point to me is not glorifying a well-known fact but on re-alerting the public to this information. Not everyone has been browsing these forums and playing FFXI for years, and it never hurts to keep lists up-to-date so that people are warned about who they are dealing with. As a matter of fact I just recently ran into one member on that list and am pleased to see others warned. Hopefully it will hinder their progress as a cheater.
Just because some things are ancient history does not mean they should be forgotten.
Again, while there is little evidence to back this particular site up, I also have no reason to doubt its validity on most if not all of the members. Every name I recognize I've highly suspected of botting, I am guessing most users who are familiar with the individuals mentioned have had similar thoughts. Bravo, and thank you for reminding the community of who we really need to be cleansing ourselves of.
Most of the names on the list don't surprise me a great deal. If I hadn't suspected at first when I met said players, subsequent events changed my mind.
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Even I really do not like botting, but this is a forum for useful discussion to exchange ideas and requests for help; it is not a Hall of Shame. In the end... even if you post the Hall of Shame here, I do not really see a lot of surprises (well some to be honest:P). So what real new information we get anyway?
I really see no point of glorifying an already well known fact .... with some "evidence" by a hacker. I am not defending hacking or botting (in fact I really hate it), but really... drama is not really that interesting. What Taj and you do is just stir up new issues that really do not benefit the community as a whole. I can post my list of my Hall of Shame, but I really feel no point of doing that.
I really see no point of glorifying an already well known fact .... with some "evidence" by a hacker. I am not defending hacking or botting (in fact I really hate it), but really... drama is not really that interesting. What Taj and you do is just stir up new issues that really do not benefit the community as a whole. I can post my list of my Hall of Shame, but I really feel no point of doing that.
Personally I couldn't disagree more. A server forum by definition deals with the server and everything in it; that doesn't mean only exchange of ideas and requests for help, in my mind. These players are clearly issues for our server. Just because you use the forum for a certain purpose doesn't mean that others should refrain from straying from that.
The point to me is not glorifying a well-known fact but on re-alerting the public to this information. Not everyone has been browsing these forums and playing FFXI for years, and it never hurts to keep lists up-to-date so that people are warned about who they are dealing with. As a matter of fact I just recently ran into one member on that list and am pleased to see others warned. Hopefully it will hinder their progress as a cheater.
Just because some things are ancient history does not mean they should be forgotten.
Again, while there is little evidence to back this particular site up, I also have no reason to doubt its validity on most if not all of the members. Every name I recognize I've highly suspected of botting, I am guessing most users who are familiar with the individuals mentioned have had similar thoughts. Bravo, and thank you for reminding the community of who we really need to be cleansing ourselves of.
Hey I noticed the site which these names came off of. I just have one issue, is this official data? I mean is this data that SE released or is it from Maury lol. Just curious cause reputations can be ruined if this is "false" data, and I'd be kinda sceptical if SE would release such data.
#17scchan,
Posted: Oct 10 2007 at 5:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Then I can be just a richard, and post a bunch of list and say those are cheaters, and you believe the list is accurate too?
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Evidence should not be assumed to be true by convenience.
Actually I think it should in this particular case.
I come to this conclusion when thinking about what would be required for this list to be false.
First, the motive. Why? Was Taj honestly pissed off by a list of names on every single server that people also don't show any great surprise at seeing? This seems unlikely. Was he bored and throwing out his suspected list of crap people just to have fun? Possible, but again, lot of work, and leads me to my next point...
Second, the accuracy. I suspect we would be hard pressed finding a person who would actually defend any of these names, who isn't on the list themselves, or who didn't lead a shell that these people materially benefitted.
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Evidence and things should be assumed unproven first, and it is up to the person who want other to believe him to show the reasons why the person believes that other to be right.
At times, yes. But come on now, that's also completely dodging the issue and sticking your head in the sand about it. Just because we have no "evidence" doesn't stop any of us from correctly concluding that 6 /anon /away people fishing 24 hours a day in SSG are bots and/or gilsellers. We need no evidence, we need no proof, we only need to use our brains.
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All the people I see saying the list must be true are people who want Ridills and A Body anyway:3
I have never wanted either of these items but I don't doubt the validity of the list. Ask anybody who is close to me what my stance on HNM shells is and you'll see that to be true ;P
#19scchan,
Posted: Oct 10 2007 at 6:48 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You have no answer to me what happen if there are false positives in there (and there is no way we can tell). So you think it is right someone should be labeled as a botter, so the other evidence can look true?
If any people who got on there ARE false positives and are stand-up players to begin with nobody who knows said person will believe it, and all will be well. If my name was on that list I'd laugh. I appeared on a JP gilseller list awhile back and my whole linkshell made fun of it.
Again, there is a thing called circumstantial evidence. It is not as strong as concrete evidence, admittedly. But none of the names I recognize surprise me; having this added to an already strong suspicion simply strengthens my conviction, as well it should.
There may be false positives, fine. But this works exactly like the justice system does. This isn't McCarthyism, this is common sense. Let's say our police force gets a tip-off on a drug deal. They go and block off the building and arrest everyone inside. Maybe some college kid was in there ******** around and gets arrested too. So what? They're investigated, determined to be innocent, and then let go. It's inconvenient, sure, but it is done with the intent of rounding up all who aren't. What you're proposing is akin to saying this raid never should have happened in the first place, which isn't true at all.
The difference between this list and McCarthyism, between this list and Guantanamo, is that anybody on here has a very easy way to defend themselves from it. All they have to do is post on here, get their friends backing them up, this isn't hard. If I appeared on that list I would say hey, you guys, can I get some support here, talk to these people I know, watch what I do, it's very obvious I'm not this type of person nor ever will be. It's not like the OP encouraged everybody to black list them without thinking for themselves, in fact was careful to state In My Opinion.
So please, in the future, don't reference these horrible eras and attempt to lay it on a forum thread. This isn't a witch hunt, it's not McCarthyism, and it's naive to even draw a comparison. The hallmarks of those eras were that you could not dissent against the prevailing opinion without being branded a traitor. Everybody is welcome to dissent with the names on this list. If the time comes when people defend the names on that list and get called botters themselves, then we have another story on our hands, and that is indeed behaving in a McCarthy-like fashion. But, as you may have noticed, too, nobody has yet.
Circumstantial evidence.
Edited for grammar.
Edited, Oct 10th 2007 9:19am by VhailorEmp
Edited, Oct 10th 2007 9:20am by VhailorEmp
Again, there is a thing called circumstantial evidence. It is not as strong as concrete evidence, admittedly. But none of the names I recognize surprise me; having this added to an already strong suspicion simply strengthens my conviction, as well it should.
There may be false positives, fine. But this works exactly like the justice system does. This isn't McCarthyism, this is common sense. Let's say our police force gets a tip-off on a drug deal. They go and block off the building and arrest everyone inside. Maybe some college kid was in there ******** around and gets arrested too. So what? They're investigated, determined to be innocent, and then let go. It's inconvenient, sure, but it is done with the intent of rounding up all who aren't. What you're proposing is akin to saying this raid never should have happened in the first place, which isn't true at all.
The difference between this list and McCarthyism, between this list and Guantanamo, is that anybody on here has a very easy way to defend themselves from it. All they have to do is post on here, get their friends backing them up, this isn't hard. If I appeared on that list I would say hey, you guys, can I get some support here, talk to these people I know, watch what I do, it's very obvious I'm not this type of person nor ever will be. It's not like the OP encouraged everybody to black list them without thinking for themselves, in fact was careful to state In My Opinion.
So please, in the future, don't reference these horrible eras and attempt to lay it on a forum thread. This isn't a witch hunt, it's not McCarthyism, and it's naive to even draw a comparison. The hallmarks of those eras were that you could not dissent against the prevailing opinion without being branded a traitor. Everybody is welcome to dissent with the names on this list. If the time comes when people defend the names on that list and get called botters themselves, then we have another story on our hands, and that is indeed behaving in a McCarthy-like fashion. But, as you may have noticed, too, nobody has yet.
Circumstantial evidence.
Edited for grammar.
Edited, Oct 10th 2007 9:19am by VhailorEmp
Edited, Oct 10th 2007 9:20am by VhailorEmp
Amanada, you try WAY too hard to make yourself look smart.
And seriously your moral-superiority complex is just way too irritating now.
I don't even know what you are arguing about. I don't even think YOU know what you are arguing about...
Think about this too: the moment someone makes an anolagy between the topic of this thread and free speech/McCarthyism is the moment I think the fine line between reality and fantasy is officially lost.
Seriously, go take a break; go focus your efforts on something that actually matters...
I'm glad I did.
And seriously your moral-superiority complex is just way too irritating now.
I don't even know what you are arguing about. I don't even think YOU know what you are arguing about...
Think about this too: the moment someone makes an anolagy between the topic of this thread and free speech/McCarthyism is the moment I think the fine line between reality and fantasy is officially lost.
Seriously, go take a break; go focus your efforts on something that actually matters...
I'm glad I did.
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Speedly wrote:
Tunnelrat 2007-04-08
Shame on you three, you were my friends. I really thought better of you.
I have to say here that this purchase was made after the real Tunnelrat quit. He quit and sold everthing a few months before his baby was due. I know he gave/sold his account to a ls but I can't for the life of me remember which one. The real TR would never do this.
But to the main post, no none of this is a surprise. Go figure right? Only cheaters prosper.
Ok. I admit I have over-reacted... I found this pic today... may be it is good for this thread:
http://www.luclin.org/files/jamond/Retarded.jpg
A little politically incorrect, but I think it fits well to this thread :P
http://www.luclin.org/files/jamond/Retarded.jpg
A little politically incorrect, but I think it fits well to this thread :P
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
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I have to say here that this purchase was made after the real Tunnelrat quit. He quit and sold everthing a few months before his baby was due. I know he gave/sold his account to a ls but I can't for the life of me remember which one. The real TR would never do this.
Well, damn. I'm happy to see my old friend didn't bot... but I'm still bothered, though not as much, that he sold his account.
Oh well. Times past are only that, I suppose.
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Ok. I admit I have over-reacted... I found this pic today... may be it is good for this thread:
http://www.luclin.org/files/jamo...etarded.jpg
A little politically incorrect, but I think it fits well to this thread :P
http://www.luclin.org/files/jamo...etarded.jpg
A little politically incorrect, but I think it fits well to this thread :P
Irony {Do you need it?}
Edited, Oct 10th 2007 10:10pm by Speedly
You know it's not very difficult for a programmer to create an engine program that sends information to its creator every time a character uses his program.
IRC scrip kiddies used to do it all the time. This one is just a bit more sophisticated. BTW I transferred here from another server and I can tell you the list for my previous server is 100% correct because all those players were banned for botting by SE and we all knew each other.
It seems so petty to argue the validity of this list when all those who understand even the slightest amount of coding know how easy this information can be acquired, especially if you had anything to do with the creation of that engine. Kudos to the OP
I moved to this server to get away from the dam cheaters and it looks like you have more bots on this server than the average and 3 times what we had.
IRC scrip kiddies used to do it all the time. This one is just a bit more sophisticated. BTW I transferred here from another server and I can tell you the list for my previous server is 100% correct because all those players were banned for botting by SE and we all knew each other.
It seems so petty to argue the validity of this list when all those who understand even the slightest amount of coding know how easy this information can be acquired, especially if you had anything to do with the creation of that engine. Kudos to the OP
I moved to this server to get away from the dam cheaters and it looks like you have more bots on this server than the average and 3 times what we had.
scchan wrote:
Ok. I admit I have over-reacted... I found this pic today... may be it is good for this thread:
http://www.luclin.org/files/jamond/Retarded.jpg
A little politically incorrect, but I think it fits well to this thread :P
http://www.luclin.org/files/jamond/Retarded.jpg
A little politically incorrect, but I think it fits well to this thread :P
You fail on so many levels, this post clearly shows you have no independent thought and use a 'how to debate for dummies' handbook. Do us all a favor and start a myspace page and send your two fans the link and stop posting here.
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