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I never said you said anything to attack the OP. I just asked where the flaunting occured. As for Cody, I still want to know where the attack was. Homophobe-ophobe? Thats an attack? There is one post from Cody, and ironically it came before you EVER posted on this thread so tell me smart guy, how were you attacked? Did Cody look into the future and know you would post something and left a comment knowing you would read it later?

To the OP, I am sorry that this has gotten out of hand. I will no longer respond to JavolinRdm. To JavolinRdm, honestly, this has been fun for me. The sad thing is, irl, we probably would get along. I only say that because there are very few people that I have ever met that I couldn't get along with. That doesn't mean we would be best friends or anything like that.

Oh well, on to other fun threads. Peace.

I don't believe I ever said I was gay either o.O Assuming things isn't very smart, eh? I'm straight, and I'm trying to defend their right. I really do hope you have gay friends and aren't lying, because you seem to be VERY strongly againist it, or atleast your post is dictating it that way.

And Cody never desrcibed everyone who was not gay or "gay-loving" as a homophobe. Tolerance is all most people ask for no matter what lifestlye they choose. It's the same concept as interracial couples. Saying like "I hate them, but aslong as they don't flaunt it..." - it still is racist. If you can't tolerate someone's choices, then you really might be a {fill the in blank} -phobe or a {blank}-ist. You are blowing everything way out of proportion and it is only making you look bad.



Well, if you think about it...95% of the community is a LOT. Ever think your mentality may be the wrong one?

Edited, Aug 13th 2006 at 3:14pm EDT by LightArchAngel

I am married interracially. I am white, my wife is Asain. Yet when I speak to people that do not agree with this I NEVER remark to people who do not agree with it as racist. Codyy remarked in this manner with the homophobe issue. Insinuations are what they are. Do you get the point yet? Or are the heads here just that thick?

If you decide to label me then label me whatever you choose. Quite frankly I do not care what makes me "look" bad or "look" good. I never knew I needed to please anyone here, and I definitly do not need your approval to help me sleep at night.

This may be one of the DUMBEST things I've ever had the "priviledge" of reading. Did you read what you posted before you posted it?

WTF?!
Please, read that over and over, and apply it to different things. See how assinine it really is?


Huh?! How can you be racist to Gays? It is not a race as far as I know. A racist believes that his race is genetically superior to all others. Way to change a definition to fit your needs. He would be a bigot, but he's not. He wants some respect for the fact that he has opinions too, just like the "gay-friendly" people. His opinion is no worse or wrong than anyone elses.



This is absolutely false. Have you ever been to a Gay pride parade? I don't think they have "tolerance" in mind. Tolerance is a code word for acceptance. If you want everyone to accept your choices, forget it. Why is it so important for everyone to accept your choices? I do not care at all whether people approve of my choices in life. Life itself will either bless me or punish me for my stupidity/lack of wisdom in the choices I make...get over it...live your life...and STFU.

Lastly, there is no such thing as Homophobia, which would be "an irrational fear of homos" It has to be proven that there is no basis for fearing something for it to become irrational. There may be, and in fact are some very valid reasons for not approving/fearing the lifestyle of gay people...AIDS being a BIG one for starters...

I have a question, and this isn't meant to be sarcastic or smartass or whatever...I really want to know. People seem to fear/loathe the gay community because of AIDS. Isn't it just as easy for a straight person to get AIDS? I mean let's say there's a man with AIDS, and me and my friend Bob both sleep with him. We would both have the same chance of contracting the disease right? Or am I missing something?

Anyway, back to the topic...I don't know of any gay linkshells, but I know of many tolorant linkshells. If you really are having trouble finding one, you can send me a tell :x

Goddess, in your example, yes both people would have the same chance of catching AIDS. But your example is incorrect. The proper example should be...

Bob and Steve sleep with each other, and only with each other-

**** and Jane sleep with each other and only each other-

Do these two couples have the same chance of contracting AIDS? Of course they don't. One couple's sexual lifestyle actually breaks the body's defenses down and weakens the immune system to the point where they contract HIV and eventually AIDS. The other couple has 0 risk of contracting AIDS. And this doesn't just go for AIDS, this goes for ALL STDs.

And I am sick of people saying that anyone who doesn't care for the Gay lifestyle is "scared" of it. I am not afraid of anything....what I feel is sorrow, and disgust.

Here's how I see it...If my daughter starts doing drugs or making any choices I believe to be foolish, it is part of my job as her parent to let her know how unwise I think it is. She is an adult so I can't choose for her, but if she continues along whatever path she takes there will be consequences for her choices. All I can do at that point is watch as she has to deal with them.

This is pretty much how I think of everyone, not just the gay community, mostly anyway. The consequences of their choices are UNECESSARY, just like the one's my daughter has to go through. But they were her choices and her consequences.
So I get disgusted that she/they refuse to make safer/wiser choices and start to think that their desires/wants are all that matter to them. So I end up having very little sympathy for people like that.
Hope that made some kind of sense.

Kittana,
Actually go ask an addict if he chooses to do drugs. Most of the ones I know want to stop, but they no longer have any will left to fight back. Their initial choices had such dire consequenses that they never saw coming, and now they are helpless. Aberrant sex is kind of like this...it is very addicting, as well as incredibly unhealthy for you.

This is the sorrow part I talked about earlier that I sometimes feel for gays. They have sacrificed their lives for desires that they most likely did not know would take their very life from them.

One quick question, if you knew, for a certainty, that by sleeping with a guy you were eventually going to contract a disease that ravages your body and would cause your death, would you sleep with him? Obviously not, right?

This is the choice I was talking about. Regardless of whether or not "being" gay is a choice, the choice of sleeping with other men, and having a form of intercourse that tears the body's immune system down to the point where any normally minor illness can kill you, is to me an incredibly foolish choice! So foolish that I can not see how anyone could, in their right mind choose to do so.

Lastly, I do not believe anyone is born "gay". If that were true we'd have found the gene responsible for it. There is none. I believe that each person has internal weaknesses and tendencies, and that we give in to those same tendencies, sometimes through twisted, unchecked desires and tastes that we have allowed to grow in us, sometime the environments or circumstances we go through try to "funnel" us down a certain path, and without the right information and mindset to counter those horrible times we succumb to our weaker side.

That's the thing...of course an addict is going to feel like he/she has no choice but they have to start somewhere. We are not born with a need of wanting drugs...we first choose to use drugs in order to be addicted to a point where we feel like there is no choice.

Although there might be some instances where someone choose to be gay I'm faily sure there are others that simply felt it. I mean you can't help that can you?



Because of this, I can completely understand why it is you feel that way and you might be right. What of those who might be raised in a gay enviroment though? Should they be faulted also?

Yeah I see what you mean. I guess our point simply differs in the fact that I think having an attraction to the same sex is something that just comes about to some people naturally and not by choice.

I mean...I don't think a person has a choice in what they do/don't like wether they admit it or not.

Javolin



I'm aware there were times like this in the past. However when you take the subject to more of a present time one could agree that most parents and elderly people at this time would label anything gay as taboo no questions asked.

DERAILMENT:
Jav, I just noticed you're posting from S.Carolina. I used to live in Gafney for a few months bro....can't say I liked it though but then again Gafney is realy not the best place to live at. Damn that place was depressing...

Edited, Aug 15th 2006 at 5:54am EDT by KittanaAKADesnia

How does gay sexual relations break down someone immune system to the point that they almost any minor illness can kill them? If you mean that it helps them get aids, then fine. But it's AIDS, not the sex that causes that.

I also would love to know how a man having sex with a man and a woman having sex with a woman breaks down the body's defenses. HIV/AIDS does that....not the actual act of intercourse. But please share how you came about this.

AS much as I didn't really want to say anything since this post has gone well of target of what it originally was about...

I was wondering what that was about, and only conclusion is it is making a statment that homosexuals make AIDS. And considering that we are past the original '80s scare/epidimic or whatever you want call it, when straight people were thinking they were safe untill they found out it wasn't a 'Gay disease'. I do know that several relgious groups still feel that homosexuals created AIDS, or that its God's punishment to those that are.

Its just sad that a simple question from a player has turned into a very old debate of who is right, and who's religious/non religious view are right.

True. I rather not see religous/race/sexual prefrence arguing.

Ofcourse the whole, which job is better...and all that crap..

Wonder what ever happend to that Vana'diel bumpersticker thread that was going around, least it kept things lively and intertaining