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#1 Jan 18 2006 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
Most of this server knows Cetranne. When people see this name most people think 'gil-stealer', or 'liar.' She is looked down upon as the person that you would never want to be. She was on the tip of the tongue on every other joke in my linkshell, how about yours? I know some linkshells decided to put her on their permanent 'we don't like you' list. Many people won't party with her because who she is. Many people won't even talk to her. She gets slapped everywhere she goes. Without a doubt, I'd say she's the most popular hated person on this entire server.

So why is this? For those who don't know why Cetranne is so hated by the server. Let me tell you why. Cetranne was a member of two different BCNM 40(Steamed Sprouts) parties that each did multiple runs. Cetranne was placed in charge of both the parties' drops. Each party recieved about 2 mil each in drops at the time, adding up to 4 mil. Each member was to recieve about 400k in their delivery box. Not a single member in any of the BCNM parties recieved their gil. Cetranne had kept the gil herself. When other BCNM party members found out that Cetranne kept the gil herself, they became enraged, and made out to ruin her reputation.

How do I know this? Because I was in the first BCNM party. I was one of those people that never got that 400k. I was the first one to catch Cetranne in her lie through /tells with her, before it ever came to the forums or known to others. I was the first one to tell Cetranne her reputation was going to be ruin for this, and I was going to be sure of it. I promised her.

Soon enough, there was hardly a person who didn't at least know to stay away from Cetranne it seemed. Like I promised, I helped to ruin her reputation. I told all my friends, my linkshell, made posts on forums, random people. I spread the word as fast as I could, to anyone I could, and the other BCNM members did their part in doing much the same thing.

Yea, that was awhile ago, time has passed since then. Word that travels far enough with enough people has the tendency to stick in the minds of everyone. Alot of people to this day still either stay away, or go out of their way to show how they feel about her. At first I wanted to let her know that I didn't care for her at all, at any moment I had the chance. I would /slap her anytime I see her, I'd get friends to /slap her, and get them to say 'Danyu sends his regards.' Call her a gil-thf, whatever. As long as I got the point across I was happy. Then later I felt like I just wanted to stay away from her. Anytime I saw her, I wanted to be somewhere else. I just didn't care to be around her at all, because anytime I saw her on the game, I felt like I couldn't trust anyone on this game anymore with anything I earned. I just hoped for the longest she'd give up, and never log onto FFXI again.

And then, one day, which is actually just the other night, I decided to do a level 40 CAP ballista, and when I get to the battleground guess who I find there, who's also going to ballista. Cetranne. With the people waiting around the Herald, somehow we had gotten into a conversation about Cetranne. Some of the people there had not known what she had done, and right in front of her, in /say, I told everyone what she had done.

Danyu: Cetranne use to not be like this.
Danyu: At one point she was on my friendlist, and I knew her once as a BLM in Qufim who fought worms with me.
Danyu: She changed when she stole gil.
Danyu: She stole 400k from me. 2 mil from my BCNM party, and 2 mil from another a long time ago. I'm still waiting for the gil in my delivery box.

Since, she was Sandy, and I was Bastok (this ballista was Sandy VS Bastok) I figured I'd be going against her, which would have been fine with me. When the match starts I was dead wrong, we were both on the same side. She tried inviting me to her party for ballista, which I declined and made a reference that I'd rather solo than be in a party with her.

Cetranne: Accept the invite.
Danyu: Give me back my gil.
Danyu: Maybe I'll accept.

We had enough people for an alliance, so I settled on the idea that I was in someone else's party even though Cetranne was the Alliance Lead.

Cetranne: You are so spiteful.
Danyu: You made me that way.

Probably not the right thing to do, but I didn't try in the ballista at all. I couldn't see myself trying to help Cetranne even if she was on my team. I put myself in situations where I knew I would die. I didn't score a single petra. You know, I was the intentional loser.

Of course, we lost the ballista, and everyone went their separate ways.

I was getting addicted to ballista, so the very next day I decided to do another. Another level 40 Cap one. Waiting for the Herald to start the game, I see Cetranne run by to join ballista as well, and instinctively, I /slap her, with no words to follow. Normally, she would respond to something like that...at least when I do it. To my surprise, there wasn't. After the initiation of the match, I find Cetranne on my team once again. She sends an invite my way. At this point, I had decided that I wasn't going to let someone ruin the game for me, especially when they had stolen gil from me. I accepted the invite. We all run to meet eachother, and immediately....

Cetranne wishes to trade with you.

Normally, I would've just ignored it or selected trade, and then cancel, but I was in a w/e mood. I selected trade.

She puts in the trade box, 180k and selects the OK.

I accepted the trade.

Danyu: :o
Cetranne: You'll get the rest of the gil when my stuff at the AH sells.
Cetranne: Yesterday, you got me thinking...
Danyu: I did?!
Cetranne: I plan on paying everyone back.
Danyu: omg

Later that day Cetranne hands me 80k in one trade, and 50k in another. This didn't feel real; I wouldn't have ever imagine she'd give the gil back.

I know some people will claim that inflation makes 400k practically nothing, but to me, it means everything. I was happy to see myself finally getting that hard-earned gil from that BCNM 40 so long ago, and even happier to know others will get their gil eventually.

I'm ready to forgive and forget. Sometimes things need to end. I don't know if I'll ever beable to trust Cetranne again, but when I see her walking by now, I don't have that urge to /slap her anymore. But I guess the only real deciding factor in this story is Time itself.
#2 Jan 18 2006 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
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I am not religious or anything, but I think when everyone read the Bible - one of the key issues Jesus raise : Forgiveness is a good thing.

If you never allow someone to redeem themselves, the redemetion will never occur. Long feuds really do not do anything good, except to boast one's own ego for being "morally superior" (as in Jewish rabbi claiming Jesus is a vandal to Jewish laws), and people who do think that way is nothing but being double standard and hypocritic (yes that is what Jesus said too about Jewish rabbi in the Bible).

To be forgiven takes effort, and to forgive takes openness... I myself do not know Centranne well and takes no stance in this. It is up to people who wish to forgive, to forgive. It is also up to Centranne to find some way to earn trust back.

Add: It is in my opinion that American culture is very black and white. And to find who is being the black (being evil, nothing racial here) is a key issue in American politics and values. May be it is time to rethink about that.

Edited, Wed Jan 18 15:45:37 2006 by scchan

Edited, Wed Jan 18 15:49:18 2006 by scchan
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#3 Jan 18 2006 at 6:20 PM Rating: Good
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Wow interesting story danyu much respect. Though i believe one should be judged through there own personal experience with X person. I also believe one should be forgiven for mistakes done in the past if X person decides to make amends, but you are right Trust is something that cant be gained over night or from a simple gesture. Anyway i liked the story of personal experience danyu. See ya around!

Edited, Wed Jan 18 18:33:49 2006 by Raikuken
#4 Jan 18 2006 at 7:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Danyu -

Thanks for the update. I'm definitely going to be less rude to her now.

If possible, could you talk with the other people to whom she owes money (that you know of), and see if she's paying them back, too? She's still got 3.6M in ill-gotten gains, after all...if she pays all of it back, that'll show a little better that she's had a true change of heart instead of just getting you off her back.

To Cetranne, if you're reading this: Good job. Keep it up.
#5 Jan 18 2006 at 7:14 PM Rating: Decent
When I first saw she came back it was in a pt I thought oh **** we are all going to get warped or somthing, but I started to talk to her and I saw she changed. I told a few of my friends I think she changed, but no one really belived me. I'm going to hold in my "I told you" till she dose pay everyone back. If you ask me she has changed. Just my 2 cents.
#6 Jan 18 2006 at 9:51 PM Rating: Default
Bleh Cetranne is cetranner

Shes doing that so people forget her so she can lv her 11job then shell start again.


Trust her is you want but Cetranne is Cetranne

GS is GS

#7 Jan 18 2006 at 9:57 PM Rating: Decent
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This is a wonderful new attitude that Cetranne seems to have developed and I honestly hope that it continues. I have one of those BCNM folks in my FL and I am definitely going to see if she/he has made restitutions. I really would like to see the right thing done, regardless of how (s)he is treated in the future.

I, for one, will remove her/him from my /blist if she compensates all of the parties involved. I think that this is fair.

I did not say that I would associate with him/her; however, everyone deserves a chance to make things right, especially if it is perceived as sincere.

If Danyu's account is accurate, this seems like an attempt to right a wrong. Kudos to Cetranne if you are actually trying to be socially-accepted and attempting to be honest.

I do have one question.....Are we sure that this is not a purchased account and the person that acquired the account is trying to recover a lost reputation? Sorry if this sounds pessimistic, but it is a lingering thought in the back of my mind.

Paragon
#8 Jan 18 2006 at 11:44 PM Rating: Decent
lol she told me she was turning over a new leaf... i started believing her when she started helping me w/ avatars... /panic /scared /apocalypse
#9 Jan 19 2006 at 12:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Cetranne, last week, invited someone in my LS to party. A little ways back, she had booted him out of a party, being rude in the process. Several weeks prior, that is. He remembered her, and asked the rest of us. Cetranne claimed that "someone else had the account, this isn't actually Cetranne".

So... she should at least be consistent with her story.
#10 Jan 19 2006 at 5:30 AM Rating: Good
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Not discounting the OP, but I'll believe it when my 300k appears in my DB.
#11 Jan 19 2006 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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So Cetranne did lie to me after all.

However this also proves that the good I sensed in her was quite present.
#12 Jan 19 2006 at 8:26 PM Rating: Default
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Bleh Cetranne is cetranner

Shes doing that so people forget her so she can lv her 11job then shell start again.


Trust her is you want but Cetranne is Cetranne

GS is GS



What an ***. A girl tries to do the right thing and all you can do is hate on me. W/e keep me on ur blist if i am. And as for speedly, you will get ur cash. Right now I have a few items on AH just waiting for them to sell and i'll pay you guys back. I know you all think i'm a terrible person in game but I think i'm mostly just midunderstood. I aint looking for pity or anything, so dont say I am. But if u wanna reach me cause I dont usually play FFXI till the weekends, send me an AIM at PsylockeCetranni or email me at: PsylockeCetranni@netscape.net

BTW. If u aint got nothing nice to say, dont say it at all. Dont come in here flaming someone who's trying ro redeem themselves.

Edited, Thu Jan 19 20:31:24 2006 by Hizashi
#13 Jan 19 2006 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I always sensed good in her.
I meet her in CN lvling my BRD it was the low 40s she had just stolen the gil I remember because I got tells everyonce inawhile sayying "INC mobs go hide for a bit and dont tell Cetranne". I was nice and told her the 1st time becuae I didnt understand why these ppl were being such ***** and + i wanted my exp i didnt want my BLM dying.
After I found out why I confronted her and she said It was a lie, I sort of believed her, and I felt bad for her in a way. I new she was a decent person inside but she was being a total jackass on the outside.
I gave her a pearl to my LS she had nowhere to go, except the dirt with a bunch of crawlers standing over her. Not long after she was kicked from my LS because supposedly she got drunk and said inappropriate things to a friend of mine.
She kept in contact with me I still felt bad for her because maybe it was unintentional but I disliked her now.
Soon I ignored the tells. Then I blacklisted her althogether and blocked her IM. I was to much of a pu55y to say it to her face.

This has made me feel like I can forgive her maybe for what she has done. I probably still will never lend her anything pricer then a beetle sublingar or do a BCNM with her, but I will be atleast willing to exp with her or maybe help her with a quest, the stuf you would do with a normal stranger in the game.

Thank You Danyu for bringing this to the attention of the server, you also have my respect.
#14 Jan 19 2006 at 8:55 PM Rating: Decent
Eh. I was over what happened long ago, and if I get the gil she took from me then good if I don't eh oh well thats life. Not like I can't make plenty more so its no biggy. If she is turning over a new leaf I wish her best of luck, but I won't hold my breath. I've already forgetten, but well have to see about the forgiving part. Anywayz have a nice day all
Spiridon

Edited, Thu Jan 19 21:01:51 2006 by darkdj
#15 Jan 20 2006 at 10:59 AM Rating: Default
poor thing cetranne such non sense

your the *** nothing more his needed
you did some bad things and trying to repair only by returning gil for what 5months after?

your HL blm dsnt deserve his lv its all like shearo manaburn


You want to redeem yourself?

Give all you money to the BCNM's people

and start anew
#16 Jan 20 2006 at 2:41 PM Rating: Decent
I really do think Cetranne is smart enough to realize that giving back the gil will not solve all of her problems, and because of that, I respect the fact that she payed me back even more.

Trust me, whatever people say to bash her on this thread or whatnot, she gets many times worse in actual in-game. There's people I've never even heard of that insult her. It just goes to show what she is up against.

But when she does try to do whats right, we shouldn't /slap her around about it... we should be cheering her on.

I said this on the KI forums, but I'll say it here too. With so many negative things that happen on our server, if we can just let one of those negatives turn into a positive, then why not?
#17 Jan 20 2006 at 3:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Excessive negativeness is a sign of addiction. I admit that I am addicted to this game, and at the same time I try to pull myself away from fights in this game. The unending story of who suck really ruins the fun of the game.

Let's take this a RL example (It is real story):

In my university gaming club that I used to go (I stopped going thanks to you know what). We played Magic The Gathering nearly every meeting. There was this one guy with a Zombie deck that can "pawn" everyone in the club, but one day someone took a deck in that solves that Zombie deck. That Zombie deck certainly a little disappointed and somewhat distressed, and he said something like "No matter what I just could not stop playing even with this hand on the table."
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#18 Jan 20 2006 at 4:32 PM Rating: Good
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A girl tries to do the right thing and all you can do is hate on me.

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It's only MPK if you get caught ^.^


Oh, also, by the way, if you want to "redeem yourself (my quotes)," maybe you should fix that.

And I thought you were selling your account? Another lie. One of my friends sent you a tell, and you pulled some "Oh, you must be a friend of the old account holder's" crap. Funny, how could you still be sending people money... if you... sold... your... account? Odd.

You're still lying to people. I have the chatlogs, I don't trust you for a second. You're pulling another performance, and I won't fall for your crap again.
#19 Jan 20 2006 at 5:59 PM Rating: Default
<3 speedly
#21 Jan 20 2006 at 7:12 PM Rating: Decent
Speedly WTF ever. You'll get ur f***ing cash and that'll be the last your hear from me you stupid !@#$%^&. Your really starting to **** me off, here I go working up enough courage to try and do something nice all your stupid $@!!$ *** can do is step on me more. Burn in hell
#22 Jan 20 2006 at 9:41 PM Rating: Decent
Cheer for Cetranne!!!!
Cheer for Shearo!!!

Thanks to Danyu for keeping us updated!
One thing I can say it takes guts to make things right. And Cetranne is working her *** off doing it. But for some they are just plain ***. Some are still are under age to play this game and Speedly just prove it.
I do wonder why would Cetranne would even pay back? This do nothing more than to boost your "ego". I would say its wrong to pay you back. Sad to say that I was glad Cetranne did that you. If history would repeat it self, I hope She do it again and again and again. How would you like if somone start a rumor about you. Ummmm for what you say? being an a$$!!! I read your other post on the other fourm...and you do deserve to be called captain ***- and pls finish the sentance in game PLS!! when somone see you. Nuff said.
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Your on quote makes you an ***!!!! Nice going you the winner of Jackass Of The Year Award!!!
#23 Jan 20 2006 at 9:49 PM Rating: Decent
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as the old saying goes: A leopard can't change it's spots
#24 Jan 21 2006 at 1:53 AM Rating: Good
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Doritos, you're an idiot. Go home to mommy now. And MY sig? Maybe you should try it.

Cetranne, I know what you said and that you lied to Gennan about another person having your account. I watched it roll across his screen, and then see you quote-unquote giving back what you stole, strangely, with an account that someone has bought already.

At this point, it's not even about the money anymore. I can pull 300k out of my *** and barely flinch. (You can thank horrid inflation for that.) It's about not letting the masses fall for another lie.

That, however, doesn't mean you don't owe me 300k. In fact, I'd even go as far as to say that you owe me even more because you stole items from us, not hard gil. And you know prices have doubled or tripled since Halloween 2005.

You fooled me not once, but twice. And that's my fault for being so naive. But never again.

So, my "friend," YOU can burn in hell.

Edit: I know I pissed a lot of uninvolved people off last time we had a huge ordeal about her by continuing on and on, so I promise to everyone that I won't be repeating old behavior by posting in this joke of a thread any longer.

Speed

Edited, Sat Jan 21 15:27:07 2006 by Speedly

Edit 1/31/06: /em is laughing hysterically at the final poster's feeble attempt at trolling slooooooooowly disappearing off the front page.

Edited, Tue Jan 31 14:26:33 2006 by Speedly
#25 Jan 21 2006 at 5:06 AM Rating: Decent
Guys.........................................................

That little part in my story about her giving me the gil and what not, that happened the same night I posted this thread. So if she did something to you like 5 days ago, she still was the same Cetranne I was /slapping or ignoring. I think its pretty obvious Doritos is Cetranne, and understandable, Speedly is pissed. You are right Speedly, you shouldn't trust her. I don't trust her. Hell, I don't like her, but I'm also trying to do what is right.

Cetranne asked for a chance, whether truthful or not, I'm going to give her one. Why am I that gullible? I don't know. Maybe I believe there is a good person inside all of us, or some lame stuff like that.

I'm sick of all the drama, the negativity, the things that can bring this game down to an extreme low. I'm sick of hearing anything bad about the game, or this such and such person. I want to hear something good for a change. I thought maybe there was a little good in this, so I posted it. Maybe I shouldn't have. But I did. Now I can't take that back.

Maybe this entire 'Cetranne' thing has a higher sub-conscious meaning to me, and I don't even know it, but I WILL give Cetranne a chance dammit, and I realize I can't force anyone else to do so.

But if she does anything from this point on, she has lost the chance to redeem herself in my eyes. If she doesn't pay the others back, if she D2s an unwanting person, if she MPKs somehow, if she steals gil, or something similar to any of those things then she loses her chance in my eyes, and I will apologize on this very thread for hoping for something that could never happened.

I'm tired. Like Speedly, I'm done with this topic, take it however you guys want it, I don't really care anymore.
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