Being tempted to buy gilFollow

Don't buy gil.. that will send you into a hole that you dont want to be in. You become a hypocrite for complaining about sellers camping, when you're buying gil that they sell the items for.

Something that I did when I first started playing was playing the AH. Buying something from a NPC then selling it in the AH for more.

A perfect example of this is Herb Pastoral. You can get it from an NPC in Windurst Woods for like 110 gil, take it to the AH and sell it for about 1k. Thats a 10x increase in profit for about 10 minutes of running. I did that about 300 times, to get some spending cash, then started to craft/farm. I just bought a stack of Lizard Skins for almost 21k, which can be farmed around Bastok. The key is to just buy low/farm & sell higher. Its a gradual process, that takes time.

Making money takes planning and skill. A good way to make money to Beastmen/Kindred Seal orb/ENM BCs. This is limited the amount of seals you have, and it encourages players to level multiple jobs, skill up and helping other players out as a way to farm seals (you get a chance of seal drop if you/your party killed anything that worth experience points). ENM can be done every few days, but the money tends to be less, but you also get some experience points too.

Farming is good too. A lot of people like killing Gobbues for Tree Cuttings, but there are like Beehive Chips, Slime Oils etc. Farming NMs will take luck and patience. Fishing also good too, but to get the skill to fish most profitable fish takes time.

Crafting... Most crafting is not profting until 50+ unless you get own materials, crystals, and then do some basic research to the game economy. Post 50, you get the ability to HQ basic recipies, and a lot of skill up recipies also become profitable. The intial investment will vary greatly with craft, and it is good to say the craft requires most intial investment tends to be more profitable in high levels (darn you rich Clothcrafters and Goldsmithers).

A lot of ways alleged "gil sellers" make their money is the same as regular player make their money (may be not in doing ENMs/orb BCNMs).

As long you have reasonable gear, you should not worry to be gimped. You do not need all HQ stuff. A good player knows how to preform at 100% with reasonable gear -- and umber stuff only makes them better. Having umber stuff and unskillful do not make you good. I know players that are better than me has gear that are not as good as me. And I also know player with full HQ gear, but his/her skill is crap. There is good chance that people who show off their umber gear and tell people are noobs for not having their umber gear are the bad players; they use their gear to cover up their bad skills.

Is your gear 10 levels under your current level? If not, then your gear is not crap, may be you will need to work on skills instead money.

True to both game and real life, there is no real point to rush to negatively effect the quality of game or life. Take your time to research how to make money if you really need to. In real life, rushing unneccessarily only makes the quality of your product worse.

Action > Words

You know what need to be done to find the solution, then let's get going ;)

Um, what level are you? what's your job?

There are always ways to make money, you just have to find the best gil/hour.

Try HELM

I would really recommend buying the green giant suit before doing any helm activity.

Go to ghelsba outpost with hatchets. Keep cutting and throwing everything away except the pricier logs(read: elm). After doing it for 3-4 hours(doesn't have to be all at once) see how much money you have made and calculate gil/hour.

Go to tahrongi canyon and excavate. Bone chips =3k per stack. Giant femurs = 1.5k each. Turtle shells= 2k each. Chicken bones = 36k per stack. There are four places on the map where you can excavate. Just look for bones on the ground and find the points.

Go mining in zeruhn/grotto/palborough/ifrit's cauldron. Although you will have to have your whm over 25 to pull the cauldron off (and you will die alot) you can get a decent amount of money doing this. Pick up a guide for mining in there in the tradeskill forums though, I hear it's tough. Apart from that, find any place where your level won't be a detriment to you by pulling aggro. Find the points and learn a "line" or "loop" you can make that will make you hit the most amount of points in the least of time.(PS: You can really make alot of money mining without having to go to town very often but you need to lvl smithing 20 lvls and goldsmith a few. Then you bring some fire crystals along with you and synth the ingots right there while mining. Check out the price of ingots. You can make lots of money. See the guides in the tradeskill forums for more help.)

Lastly, go harvesting in east saru/giddeus. Never tried this one myself, but you can get red grass or something of the sort now(newer item) that is supposedly higher priced. Don't count on it though, I've never done it for myself. Take a look at some guides on how to make money. Garden, fish, farm, helm, buy low/sell high. All these methods will amount to some money in one way or another, but find the one YOU like(might not even be best gil/hour) and plug yourself at it. Focus on one task at a time. If you put all your time and energy to make one method profitable, it will be. If you try every method over and over, you will never learn very much from each method, so your profits won't be as big.

I don't know your character to know what job and level you are at. I'm at 59 WHM and recently I made a bunch of gil from HNMs, ~400k. That's more money than I ever had on my character.

I can see that being a tank would require more money because bad gear = death. Being a WHM I could never really farm; however I was able to wear my RSE up to AF. Possible, but it takes me a long time and my mobs get claimed before I finish buffing up (i.e. Stoneskin, Haste, Aquaveil, Spikes).

So I took up fishing and cooking. When I discovered moat carps when around 3.5k a stack, I felt I really "hit it on the money" since it was a level 10 cap fish. Easy enough to skill up to that and make some money. I eventually took Cooking to 60 and Fishing to 56 because I was able to fish for most of my ingredients, i.e. Fishing Pipira and then making Roast Pipira (Fire Crystal + Rock Salt + Pipira) to skill up. I can HQ lowbie foods and make some regular foods for profit. I could also now go and level alchemy though fishing for my own ingredients. Pre cooking and fishing, I also found that buying stuff from NPCs that sell it in one city and moving it to another, i.e. Sandy -> Windy, you can mark it up. Then again you are being paid "for your efforts" for people who enjoy the convenience, so it isn't about taking advantage of people.

Another way you can earn money is through gardening. Don’t jump right into trying to grow ores. They are quite an investment that you could stand to lose unless you farm your own cuttings. Instead, do something easier like growing fire crystals. Gardening takes perhaps some max 15 minutes out of your day to do and can be worth it.

As for buying gil, if you do, then you can't be one to start crying about when they start stealing your mobs or MPKing you when you are trying to camp for say a kote in Castle O. I'm not a big fan of gilsellers as per previous posts... but I guess basically you're paying someone to get you the gil you want even though their tactics are dirty. Some people just choose to ignore the dirty part.

Let's start with this. Why not post your level and your gear. Maybe there are some alternatives that will help you.

Abs-DEX could have easily been passed up for better gear but that's just my opinion.

LoL. The actual gear would help.

one of the simplest ways to make money (and i still know this lvl 75 thf that does this) is to go to giddeus and kill bees and maybe yagudos if you like

when i was a level 40 war, i would farm there myself, i could usually one shot the bees with a boomerang, i'm guessing you could one shot them with your jumps, and i didn't go back very far into giddeus where the people camping NM's were, just the front section where the lowest lvl mobs were

last i checked, a stack of beehive chips went for 7 or 8K, honey for 2 or 3k, and if you have thf to 15 you get treasure hunter, and if you only have thf to 5, you can at least steal honey from the bees

now, if there is someone obviously lvling in this area (someone lvl 7-12ish) let them have enough mobs so they can do they're thing (otherwise, it'll turn out they or one of they're friends is a lvl 75 blm and they'll clear the area out faster than you would believe :-P )

This to me says you're just trying to get everyone else's money making methods but trying to do it through sympathy. Usually not a wise move.

As someone already said, different things work for different people. Do some research, find what works for you. That's the best advice you can get.

Nothing worth having is not worth working for.

Buying gill is makeing all the prices go up

Stuff to think about before you buy gil...

It really bugs me that people think good gear = good player.
This is FALSE and what motivates people into buying gil. -.-

Gilbuyers don't have the time to make gil.
So they skip this part and just buy the gil and automatically assume: I have good gear therefore I am a good/skillful player.
My gear is better than player A and B, and I hit the mob more, I am a much better player.
Too bad they don't realize that the time put into making the gil is what makes you a good/skilled player.

Sure, you CAN buy gil/gear, you CANNOT buy experience/skill.
Some players think lots of gil/uber gear = experienced player.
WRONG

Time + Effort + Commitment = Experienced/skilled player
AND
Time + Effort + Commitment = Hard earned gil/Uber gear/Respect

Buying gil won't make you an experienced/skilled player, EARNING it will.
Keep that in mind next time you think you want to buy gil.
It's not worth it, IMO.

I agree that a lot of players do not have a lot of time to play, and there are people that would rather "do stuff" then to take the money to make money in the game. It is understandable. However...

1) This game is not meant to be a race (it is designed that way)
2) Real money trade is linked with certain harrasements in game. I do agree inflation of game economy is not mainly driven by gil buying/selling.
3) As a personal opinion, there are better way to spend money. How about using the money to helping out your local charity for the homeless, or even just spend that with your family and friends?

Real money trade will exist no matter how many people precieve that buying gil is needed to remain up to date in gear. However with gil so cheap now, it gives you a glimpse how serious the problem may be.