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As far as I know, it doesn't matter. The Blood Elves have a racial ability that gives them some mana back from enemies. Honestly, I think it's just what race you prefer.

Okay, so like I get this, but I don't get this.

So I play a Human Warlock, you can see the character in my sig at the bottom. He has the racial so I don't have to equip a trinket and such. Now don't get me wrong, I see what you're getting at, but I'm not seeing the huge advantage at this point.

So there's 3 trinkets I can get with honor: the two the human has on and the PvP one. They all have 301 resilience, so that's a wash. I'd probably be using the +health one anyway, so the difference is the '+1520 spellpower for 20 second' on-use.

Now compare this to an Orc (simply because it's the most straight-forward to compare to), which would be using the PvP trinket, but would have Blood Fury instead. That's +585 spellpower for 15 seconds. Advantage is human, yes but the difference is something like 165 spellpower when averaged over the 2min CD. If you're around 5k spellpower that's a fairly small difference (like 3%-ish). Now if you consider an Orc gets a 15% reduction in stun duration and +5% to pet damage, while the human gets +3% spirit and extra rep (which aren't really as useful in PvP) the difference is kind of less so.

Now I could see if we were at a point where resilience wasn't as useful, and people were going into arena in PvE gear and burning others down, then you could argue not having the PvP trinket was an advantage; as you wouldn't need to pack around that resilience on the PvP trinket. Also I can see the advantage at low levels, as your 2 minute trinket is better than the 5 minute heirloom one. That's pretty nice. But at end-game, I dunno.

So ya, like I see it and I don't see it.

It should be noted that Humans aren't so superior now as they were in WotLK, because the relative power of trinkets has dropped. But they are still powerful.

Plus, it's a big mistake imo to compare the relative power of PVP trinkets when averaged. In PVE it makes a lot of sense for most classes, as most don't even cycle through phases, so the trinket is always relatively equal in value (and you should plan to use it during Heroism/Bloodlust anyways). And for those that do use phases, they are (at least generally, if not always) usually short enough that a trinket will see approximately equal uses throughout each phase, so it should even out in effectiveness.

But that's not really the case in PVP. You can use your trinkets on CD, but it's wiser to save them. That's because you don't have high uptime in PVP, so nearly every class actually does try and set up a burn period if possible (except maybe Afflic locks).

Mages are a perfect example of this. An Arcane Mage that uses a gem to get back to full, pops Arcane Power (followed by PoM), uses a trinket and spams AB is going to dish out some serious damage to a target (that's hopefully caught in your snare).

That means the effectiveness of a trinket when used on a PVP target can vary immensely, and it doesn't average out like in PVP, since you should be saving the trinkets for those moments.

And they aren't always to do with burn phases. We are talking about an environment where the target heals or gets healed. That extra 1.5k SP can definitely be the difference between them dying and forbearance wearing so they can receive Lay on Hands.

But that's only one part of it. As pold pointed out, trinkets get better with time. So the racial gets better with each expac. Bloodlust is only going to get better if it is buffed. That's a significant change. And Mages don't really get enough damage from pets for Orcs to make any real difference. And we can blink out of stuns.

Plus, as Pold said, resil's value might not always trump the dps gain from PVE trinkets. Consider the Eye of Awareness. It's less resil, yes. But the chance for your heals to also give a 3k heal to a nearby, low-health member could be pretty amazing in the proper situations (I know no specifics about the actual trinket--just an example).

Ohh cmon we all know BELFs are the cutest .....!!

Vyn

Trolls get a nifty little haste buff too, and they aren't physically impossible not-corpses, or Israeli Midgets. They also aren't Paris Hilton. I'm surprised I ever actually went Horde come to think of it, but now that I'm with Trolls and Tauren, I'm ok with it ^_^

No they aren't, they're the prettiest. There is a difference. Goblin females are the cutest. :-p

Yeah, I think if I actually had to hang out with a blood elf in real life I might shoot myself in the face. I think their jokes and flirts are hilarious, but it just shows how vain and judgmental they are, and I can't stand people like that.

The goblins though, I think I would enjoy hanging out with them. =x

Heh, yeah I'd have that issue too.

Just outta curiosity, why not trolls?

Yeah, as much as I'm a Hordie through and through, my favorite race by far is the Night Elves. I love their architecture, their culture, a lot of their ideals (now that the highbourne are gone of course lol), and I think the love story between Malfurion and Tyrande is really romantic in a tragic sort of way. Plus War of the Ancients was freaking amazing.