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Bets on when MM gets nerfedFollow
Who wants to bet on when Blizzard is going to realize they buffed MM WAY too much and do a quick hotfix nerf on them?
I hope never. 32k Aimed Shot crit > 10k Arcane Shot crit > 21k Kill Shot crit = sex.
I bet next patch though, so 2-3 months.
Edited, Feb 8th 2011 8:01pm by Theophany
I bet next patch though, so 2-3 months.
Edited, Feb 8th 2011 8:01pm by Theophany
What's chimera hitting for? I noticed in the patch notes it was buffed quite a bit. Still got maintenence in the EU for the next 4 hours so i can't log on and play around yet :(
ArtemisEnteri wrote:
What's chimera hitting for? I noticed in the patch notes it was buffed quite a bit. Still got maintenence in the EU for the next 4 hours so i can't log on and play around yet :(
Haven't been using Chimera extensively yet (mainly playing SV in PvP and BM in solo). It should be a lot, since my tooltip says weapon damage plus 7242.
I was critting chimeras for 30-40k self buffed.
Lv 83 hunter, i was critting for 29k aimed shot (with the 20% honor/experience kill bonus) on the searing elementals at nordrassil. Crazy stuff.
ArtemisEnteri wrote:
Lv 83 hunter, i was critting for 29k aimed shot (with the 20% honor/experience kill bonus) on the searing elementals at nordrassil. Crazy stuff.
Yeah, I was critting my Chimera Shots for about 20k.
MM will almost definitely get nerfed, so we should probably enjoy it while we can.
Overlord Theophany wrote:
ArtemisEnteri wrote:
Lv 83 hunter, i was critting for 29k aimed shot (with the 20% honor/experience kill bonus) on the searing elementals at nordrassil. Crazy stuff.
Yeah, I was critting my Chimera Shots for about 20k.
MM will almost definitely get nerfed, so we should probably enjoy it while we can.
Was chatting with someone in a BG today. They were playing 2s prior as MM/Disc with much lulz and tears had. You can guess which of the two they were doing.
Hellbanned
idiggory wrote:
Drinking at home. But I could probably stand to get laid.
Popping Rapid Fire and hard-casting Aimed Shot and Steady Shot pairs is fun.
12k DPS in ye random dungeon, but I still can't enter heroics.
12k DPS in ye random dungeon, but I still can't enter heroics.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Mazra wrote:
Popping Rapid Fire and hard-casting Aimed Shot and Steady Shot pairs is fun.
12k DPS in ye random dungeon, but I still can't enter heroics.
12k DPS in ye random dungeon, but I still can't enter heroics.
Try doing that with Imp Steady Shot, Time Warp/Bloodlust, and Rapid Fire up. I pretty much was like
when that happened in AV. Spam Steady, pop free instant Aimed Shots every 4-5 secs.
I like MM a lot after this patch.
I hate MM, I've always hated MM since I was forced into it in late wrath. I've always loved survival. I was having a hard time trying to get used to MM and so I switched back to SV and instantly gained like 4-5k dps.
I noticed a lot of people were buffed really high though. Blizzard seriously needs to stop and think sometimes.
I noticed a lot of people were buffed really high though. Blizzard seriously needs to stop and think sometimes.
Hyolith, Hero Among Heroes wrote:
I hate MM, I've always hated MM since I was forced into it in late wrath. I've always loved survival. I was having a hard time trying to get used to MM and so I switched back to SV and instantly gained like 4-5k dps.
I noticed a lot of people were buffed really high though. Blizzard seriously needs to stop and think sometimes.
I noticed a lot of people were buffed really high though. Blizzard seriously needs to stop and think sometimes.
Wait, what? You're doing more DPS as SV even after the MM buffs/SV nerfs? Is it just because you're not used to playing MM?
I believe so.
I also finally changed my keybinds to be on my mouse since I got an M510 for Christmas and I finally got around, so I'm learning MM plus new keybinds. But even with that, going back to SV with my new keybinds still gave me an increase in dps.
But yes, I believe it is simply because I'm not used to mm yet.
I also finally changed my keybinds to be on my mouse since I got an M510 for Christmas and I finally got around, so I'm learning MM plus new keybinds. But even with that, going back to SV with my new keybinds still gave me an increase in dps.
But yes, I believe it is simply because I'm not used to mm yet.
I didn't see many AS crits above 12k on my 2.7k resi holy paladin. Not much different from an ice lance, though lower armor targets will get hit much harder. Fury warriors seem like much more of a problem, and that one druid who crit me for 49k with a starsurge proc. Zerking powerup in EotS but, still.
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Wait, what? You're doing more DPS as SV even after the MM buffs/SV nerfs? Is it just because you're not used to playing MM?
I can't speak to MM - I'm not pushing content so hard that I have to respec patch to patch. But my single-target SV DPS is in the same range that it was pre-patch, and that's without even really accomodating using AS more rather than pooling focus. I certainly couldn't separate any difference from bad RNG, so far.
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Mazra wrote:
Popping Rapid Fire and hard-casting Aimed Shot and Steady Shot pairs is fun.
12k DPS in ye random dungeon, but I still can't enter heroics.
12k DPS in ye random dungeon, but I still can't enter heroics.
Try doing that with Imp Steady Shot, Time Warp/Bloodlust, and Rapid Fire up. I pretty much was like
when that happened in AV. Spam Steady, pop free instant Aimed Shots every 4-5 secs.
I like MM a lot after this patch.
I've preferred MM since ever, but switched to SV since it automatically bumped my DPS up into heroic league. Of course, as I progressed and found SV to be boring, I managed to get the same DPS numbers with MM. Now it's just soaring ahead.
And yeah, Rapid Fire + Imp Steady Shot + Bloodlust = win. 1.4-second Aimed Shots...
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
MMO Champion wrote:
We are also looking at nerfing Aimed Shot, but compensating hunters through Aspect of the Hawk.
Yup!
We get to go from the worst to....the worst.
I am loving the switch back to MM. Hitting 21k+ dps on certain heroic bosses is awesome. I think I saw an aimed shot crit for 76k on trash in deadmines.
I have liked MM better since the begining of Wrath. Maybe it's expeirence, but whatever it is I feel more comfortable as MM.
Edited, Feb 12th 2011 1:41am by CaptinXeith
I have liked MM better since the begining of Wrath. Maybe it's expeirence, but whatever it is I feel more comfortable as MM.
Edited, Feb 12th 2011 1:41am by CaptinXeith
Hyolith, Hero Among Heroes wrote:
MMO Champion wrote:
We are also looking at nerfing Aimed Shot, but compensating hunters through Aspect of the Hawk.
Yup!
We get to go from the worst to....the worst.
"We're thinking about compensating hunters with an aspect that's very rarely used in arenas because we're douche bags."
Actually I take that back, they'll probably make it something like an opening shot will do more damage or some garbage like that.
I will freely admit that getting a Master Marksman proc and hitting Aimed, then hard-casting an Aimed, followed by a Chimera Shot was some good times, if a tad bit overpowered.
And by a "tad bit" I mean "incredibly" overpowered due to the fact that I was dropping people from 75% to 0 in roughly 6 secs with complete **** gear.
Yes, but the odds of that are pretty slim. I can get down to .8 sec SS cast with ISS, RF, and BL. There is no more BL in arena, in order to get a MMM proc you need to be able to shoot off at least 5, most likely more SS to get MMM.
Anyone decent in arena won't let a hunter cast 5-7 shots, yeah there is fox, but there is a ton of los in arenas.
I just think the chance to get off that perfect scenario is too far and wide that just because someone was able to do it once doesn't mean it should be nerfed. Well all know Hawk sucks hard and buffing it a few % won't do anything to compensate for the nerf to aimed shot.
Anyone decent in arena won't let a hunter cast 5-7 shots, yeah there is fox, but there is a ton of los in arenas.
I just think the chance to get off that perfect scenario is too far and wide that just because someone was able to do it once doesn't mean it should be nerfed. Well all know Hawk sucks hard and buffing it a few % won't do anything to compensate for the nerf to aimed shot.
Hyolith, Hero Among Heroes wrote:
Yes, but the odds of that are pretty slim. I can get down to .8 sec SS cast with ISS, RF, and BL. There is no more BL in arena, in order to get a MMM proc you need to be able to shoot off at least 5, most likely more SS to get MMM.
Anyone decent in arena won't let a hunter cast 5-7 shots, yeah there is fox, but there is a ton of los in arenas.
I just think the chance to get off that perfect scenario is too far and wide that just because someone was able to do it once doesn't mean it should be nerfed. Well all know Hawk sucks hard and buffing it a few % won't do anything to compensate for the nerf to aimed shot.
Anyone decent in arena won't let a hunter cast 5-7 shots, yeah there is fox, but there is a ton of los in arenas.
I just think the chance to get off that perfect scenario is too far and wide that just because someone was able to do it once doesn't mean it should be nerfed. Well all know Hawk sucks hard and buffing it a few % won't do anything to compensate for the nerf to aimed shot.
No, it's actually pretty good that you can get off 5-7 Steadies in arena in 3s or 5s, as hunters are really unattractive targets right now with how much mobility they have with ~16 second Disengages and 35 second Master's Call (which is getting nerfed because it's so powerful).
Keep in mind that the MMM buff is a 30 second buff. I'm not saying you're going to be getting one of those combos off every 10 seconds, but more than likely every minute or two, and combined with a well-timed burst/CC chain from your teammates, it's easily enough to global someone.
Overlord Theophany wrote:
No, it's actually pretty good that you can get off 5-7 Steadies in arena in 3s or 5s, as hunters are really unattractive targets right now with how much mobility they have with ~16 second Disengages and 35 second Master's Call (which is getting nerfed because it's so powerful).
Although I don't PvP on my hunter, I'd like to chime in that I'm very happy that they're finally nerfing an ability that is OP in PvP - and just nerfing the PvP side of it rather than completely gutting it in PvE like they usually do.
ElMuneco wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
No, it's actually pretty good that you can get off 5-7 Steadies in arena in 3s or 5s, as hunters are really unattractive targets right now with how much mobility they have with ~16 second Disengages and 35 second Master's Call (which is getting nerfed because it's so powerful).
Although I don't PvP on my hunter, I'd like to chime in that I'm very happy that they're finally nerfing an ability that is OP in PvP - and just nerfing the PvP side of it rather than completely gutting it in PvE like they usually do.
I got the impression that they're just out-and-out nerfing it, not that they really need to for PvE since SV is still parsing higher than MM.
I don't really see it being op, hunters still represent something like < 1% of high end arena, pretty sure a little buff to aimed shot isn't really enough to change that even a few percent. Especially with Master's Call getting nerfed and Glyph of Concussive Shot not even working.
Hyolith, Hero Among Heroes wrote:
I don't really see it being op, hunters still represent something like < 1% of high end arena, pretty sure a little buff to aimed shot isn't really enough to change that even a few percent. Especially with Master's Call getting nerfed and Glyph of Concussive Shot not even working.
HPD (hunter/holy pally/DK) is honestly one of the strongest arena teams at the moment with the DK and hunter changes.
It's honestly kind of ridiculous.
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