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When making a generic spec for caster DPS, I will always include mana talents. Once mana is no longer an issue they can go away but it is better to have them for a while and realize they are not needed than to think the spec stinks because it is always OoM.

The one point in Furor was the last one and I didn't want to put it somewhere that would encourage players to AoE more. Especially at level 85 where AoE really isn't the way of the world.

Regardless, I've been doing forum stuff for too long today. I'm going to play a bit then try do the Moonkin section tonight and finish the Resto, Cat and generic feral tomorrow.

I used 1 pt in Stampede just fine leveling, the mob always turns to face me, I still get Ravage off. Rake is purely for the increased chance for FB to crit and end the fight before I get more than 1 or 2 bleed ticks, anyway. Also, Mangle puts up Infected Wounds, I'd rather get that up first than get my first bleed tick 1 sec sooner.

Looks like Rake got semi-nerfed, too.

Absolute zero rage? Powershift for 10 rage, Enrage will get you another 20, you can manually cancel the damage debuff and only lose the little bit of rage that trickles in. If none of that is an option, swipe with a crit or two will hopefully refund rage and buy you a GCD to Thrash. Melee DPS should know better, or quickly learn, not to go ******** AoE with a Bear/Warrior tank with no rage.

One nice thing in Cata is that there was a rather hefty boost to armor and Stam for non-plate wearers, so it's not like old H Slave Pens or H Shattered Halls where a stray melee mob would one-shot the clothies.

If you have time to let Enrage run, yeah. I guess I misread his question and was thinking about when some "gogogo" DPS aggro's the next pull before you're ready.

Pull at range and LOS casters?

Kids these days

I know, thus the smiley. Truthfully I haven't been above 80 yet on account of waiting until money comes through to do a transfer and faction switch.

I already know it'll be hell in dungeons but I'm going to be That Guy and berate people for being bad and try to make them better. I can get fast queues, how fast can you 4 scrubs get going again without a tank?

Edit: Here's my basic methodology.



Edited, Dec 16th 2010 11:48pm by Norellicus

I've fallen in love with Boomkins that have Solar Beam and know when to use it properly.

Hmm, that's could be really useful, I could easily replace the Healing Touch glyph. On that note, I wish natures swiftness would do a little more, it's so underwhelming now with healing touch.

I've been using Cyclone a bit for interrupting healers and such, but I really wish it didn't diminish so fast.

Edited, Dec 17th 2010 12:36pm by Xsarus

The only really universal CCs are Fear (when glyphed) and Freezing Trap, everything else is limited one way or another. We can't lock down humanoids, undead, demons, or giants, but we have a ranged root with no CD that works on all melee and can be used to LoS or out-range casters. I'm happy with it, and it's a far cry better than where we were in BC, with roots only working outside.

Sap is hard to reapply compared to most other forms of CC and it doesn't work on everyone.

www.exmaple.com wont make mouse overs. :P

I have actually been doing a lot of boomkin research the last few days. Also the spec in the first post has changed since you linked it as I just finished the moonkin section when I saw your post. :P

Turns out Furor is a decent mana talent when you aren't using Innervate personally and is better than Moonglow for mana purposes.

Also there aren't a whole hell of a lot of non-mana options that increase DPS. Gale Winds is the only solid AoE DPS talent you skip as Owlkin Frenzy is highly situational and BotG only helps Lunar Showers DPS in an significant fashion. Fungal Growth is also a highly situational talent as when the snare isn't needed most tanks find it very annoying.

So in theory you could drop MG, Dreamstate and Furor take OF, GW, BotG and FG except 1 point in one of them but with FG and QF being very situational, BotG being weak except for when there is a lot of movement and GW being only for AoE I would say it is better to take the mana talents to make sure you don't go OoM and then decide which ones to whittle away depending on how you end up using Innervate.

As if you are using Innervate personally and have no mana issues you would drop some or all of the points in Furor/Moonglow and free up 6 points to put in the 4 potential DPS / utility talents. With the option to start adding them back into mana talents.

Or if you always throw Innervate out then you should drop Dreamstate immediately as it is doing nothing for you at all, and take those 2 points and put them somewhere, most likely GW. Then if mana still isn't an issue start poaching from Moonglow until either it is an issue or the points are gone. If those are gone and mana doesn't matter still then start pulling from Furor.

Regardless, there will come to be a point in time where the benefit gained from losing your extra mana cushion will be significantly less than having a few mana talents for when you actually need them, either because you died and got rez'd, had to heal for a while, extended use of Remove Corruption or any other weird thing that might happen.

The main reason for the mana talents is not only beginners need mana and the comfort of not worrying about mana but that the other options just aren't that strong or are simply too situational in nature to have in your standard DPS spec.

Either way, I've learned way too much about Moonkin in the last few days and next time I aint doin it. :P

Said I'd test this and I have, plus I found some tidbits on the internet.

If you have Stampede and Feral Charge - Cat someone, your 'Ravage' ability morphs into 'Ravage!' Note the exclamation mark. That's why my macro wasn't working properly as well. Before Cataclysm, 'Ravage' would morph into 'Ravage(Cat Form)' when Stampede was up.

According to sources on the internet, Ravage! is bugged and does not have any positional requirements. This will most likely get fixed in an upcoming patch. Probably the same patch that changes Blood in the Water back to Nom Nom Nom.

No? Well, one can always hope.

Edited, Dec 18th 2010 6:05am by Mazra