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Well being able to AoE was fun well it lasted. I personally think its a ridiculous change just to make the classes feel "different". It would work better if Multi didn't have the cooldown it does, or if it didn't share the cooldown ith Aimed.

Didn't that go away in the last beta push? I saw this purported blue quote from a beta blogger over the weekend:

"We did not remove the minimum range of hunter shots intentionally. If it’s happening, it’s a bug."

I'm pretty sure the dead range is still in place from what I recently read. Hunters are supposed to shoot arrows not jam them in their opponents face at virtually no range.

But I don't really like the change either, while it's not a drastic change either way it was just nice to have and use for those massive ICC trash packs and such.

Oh ok, well at least the took off the cd to Multi-Shot and have it not share a cd with aimed, there are some talents in MM that deal with multi that without an upgrade to multi probably wouldn't be taken otherwise.

Trap Launcher + Explosive Trap allows you to AoE in low-health, large group scenarios.

First of all, Multi Shot is being reworked. If it needs to hit more targets, it will hit more targets. That said, packs in Cata basically never exceed 5 mobs from what I can tell, and even getting that many is rare. And you don't AoE those packs. Whenever you are using AoE, it's because you don't need to CC, and those are basically packs of 3 mobs. Multishot in its current form is 50% damage +226 to each.

Now we get to something more important, and it is one of the more annoying and stupid thing people whine about--whenever a skill has limitations. You are a ranged class. You are designed to do damage at range. Yes, MS requires you to get out of melee range to use. But it SHOULD. Volley should have to, for that matter, it was just much harder to code. A Warrior isn't able to do AoE damage at range, and that fact alone isn't an argument for why he should be able to.

Hunters already have a high enough ability to hit things out of your LoS, without Volley. You don't need more. And, frankly, to be able to is a fairly broken mechanic anyway.

And your last point only matters if you are a keyboard turner, which is perfectly fine with me.



First of all, AoE ONLY happens in Cata when you are just burning stuff down and don't need to worry. It's not the norm.

Second of all, numbers aren't being balanced at all right now, realistically.

Third of all, ALL AoE skills are performing low right now. ALL of them. Most pulls that were AoEable are best STed down by all classes atm, because of this. Blizzard did so to try and force people to break their WotLK must-AoE-everything mentality.

Multishot is being reworked so that it will perform properly in the environment. In Blizz's own words, just the fact that you lose the ability to break a rogue out of stealth easily, for example, doesn't make them feel it is warranted.

Moot point. All instances 1-60 have been revamped for the new system. BC instances have always been set up so that using CC was probably a good idea. And there's nothing stopping you from using CC in Wrath dungeons--you only did it because you could put out massive numbers.

As for raid content, come cata you won't be doing it at an appropriate level anymore. The fact that AoE is 50% less in Cata doesn't mean crap when you are 5 levels higher and geared.

Realistically, you'll never be just AoEing through any dungeon anymore. Healers don't have the mana or output for it.

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It's cool that every single post I made in this thread was rated down.

Edited, Aug 29th 2010 2:30am by idiggory

yeah, choosing between an improved multi and volley there's no competition. I've run a few dungeons, and while the regular ones can be done with aoe in a large group, the heroics won't, at least at first. Also the runs go a lot smoother if the healers are killed fast. It's a nice change.

That may be true in Cataclysm, but my hunter is 65. Unless all the instances in BC and Wrath are reworked, there is still a need for major AOE while clearing to the bosses. I would agree that from a role-playing class point of view, a dude with a gun should not be able to AOE like a mage (He should also not be able to shoot like he has a semi-automatic, but that is necessary for balance), but then his single shots and small AOE (blunderbuss, aka Multi Shot) need to have MUCH bigger potential damage. Otherwise he becomes a gimp long range paladin with a speed-bump (pet).

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