Assassination rogues rejoice!!!Follow

I wonder what will become the new 51 point. Mutilate? It would be the most useful 51 point talent in the game, lol.

It would cool to give Rogues something that's INTERESTING as a 51 pointer. I mean, it is easily the most boring 51-point talent, though far from the worse (if we talk about effectiveness). Killing Spree? Very interesting. Shadow Dance? Less so, but Shadowstep is one of the coolest 41 point talents, imo, so it evens out.

If I imagine my Mage in a situation where Icy Veins was capable of a 100% uptime, by giving it a really long duration, it doesn't sound nearly as fun. Or like if Horn of Winter didn't give RP but, instead, an even better buff and was 51 points? I'd rather not.

There's no doubt HfB is an extremely good ability on paper. An extremely fun ability? Maybe not. Think of all the other talents that give huge bonuses like that. Most become important, central parts of rotations. Like DK Strikes, Living Bomb, Explosive Shot, Deep Freeze, etc. And none of them are as boring as HfB. The closest is probably Mangle. But even that is more interesting in that it adds CP, does damage, and brings raid utility. HfB is like the Mage talent Torment the Weak--a large DpS buff that is dependent on another factor that could be interesting, but isn't due to raid composition making their bonus almost guaranteed.

Honestly, I'm surprised Blizz hasn't tried to keep Backstab/Rupture as part of the Assassination rotation, to keep things interesting. And allowing Envenom to refresh SnD took some of the variety away.

I reckon Shadow Dance pretty much died in the beta, when they changed it from "you are put into stealth three times in a row" to "you'll now use ambush instead of backstab, cheap shot instead of kidney shot and garotte instead of kick. Also, your UI is now messed up". The first is just downright awesome, interesting in both PvP and PvE, and require skill to handle well.

Pretty good? Probably, if you can handle it well. As much fun as the original ability, or even fun at all? No, it doesn't seem that way to me. I'm sincerely hoping they're going to do *something* with it for Cataclysm so I'll be sound in my sub spec again.

I think it's pretty fun. Its downright nasty in PvP. The point is though, it's an actual ability. You push it, it does things. It does a lot, in fact, because it allows you to use other abilities. It is one of those abilities that is as good as what you can figure to do with it. Interesting. Ninja Storm will always basically do the same thing, it's just fun because it's cool.

Hunger for blood. Not an ability. It _sucks_. It's insultingly bad.

So yes, it would be awesome if they gave a new actual assassination ability. I'm not sure what it would be, the spec tree names on rogue are kind of meaningless.

Edited, May 28th 2010 9:36am by digitalcraft

Eh?

Yeah, I can't help but think that it isn't going in. Not unless it has some fairly strong negative effect added to it.

Yes!! Vendetta looks nice! :D

I Miss HfB 15 second stack 3 times version. Vendetta while great on single target is going to hamper target switching since it's a debuff on the target rather then a buff on the rogue themselves. Least that was my take on it.

This is pure speculation on my part but I for see Combat being king of PVE again and mutilate being more PvP. Now I could be wrong, and 95% of the time I am -_-*

I haven't raided to much as Combat its my OS for some fights that favor it vastly over Mutilate, Sindy HM for example where mutilate is swinging so fast you get the chilled to the bone stack before you can even think, and your hits are so small(white hits) compared to Combat where your white hits are higher on average without stacking the Debuff so fast.

And I've raided, and leveled, the first 95% of Wrath as Mutilate. Ever since the new builds came out a few weeks before Wrath dropped. I'm kind of fearing, in a small way, going into Cata on rogue.

Frankly Vendetta fits Mutilate perfectly.

Combat has Killing Spree which is representative of Combat's Multi target prowess.

Mutilate has Vendetta which fits its Single Target focus.

See what I mean?

Well, it's kinda useful in PvP, where you can backstab quite often.

But to be completely honest, I'm going to put those 2 points in something more useful and just use Crippling Poison OH.

Imp EA is gonna be a waste of points in a Mut build that gets you Envenom that doesn't remove DP.

Eh, not really. Ruthlessness means your cycle can become Envenom -> Mut -> 4pt Envenom -> Mut -> 4pt Envenom.

This or whatever. You're not gonna take Elusiveness in a PvE build.

Edit: you can take a point out of Precision to max Opportunity, since that's probably better than 2% hit (hit is easy to get on gear).

Edited, Aug 4th 2010 12:17pm by Theophany