The Protribution spec really caught my eye when it first came out; ever since way back in the day (pre-1.8, when my main was still a Paladin) I enjoyed seeing classes getting creative and acting outside their roles. Back then it was a Grand Marshal Paladin who was specced Protection and using a two-hander. Basically his combination of a ton of defensive stats, plus multiple stuns (this was when Repentance was the Protection final ability) allowed him to outlast any opponents. The guy was a great Paladin anyway; cleansing his allies, using Hand of Freedom (well, Blessing back then) and Hand of Protection (again, BoP then) liberally on himself or his friends, and mowing down 3-4 opponents at a time. Gosh I must have watched that video of him in Blackrock Mountain dozens of times.
So anyway, Protribution is, in my mind, the spiritual successor to that pre-1.8 Paladin style. But I can't figure out if it ONLY works at 80. No doubt it works BEST then, but could you level as Protribution before then? My Paladin is on the cusp of 69 right now, and Retribution's tree is all but complete... and I see no good use for my other talents points before cap.
So I was looking at Protribution builds, specifically http://www.wowhead.com/talent#sZVG0AMzghsIufdVf0dbc:RjLczV
Three obvious problems come to mind:
1. Divine Plea isn't available until level 71.
2. Shield of Righteousness isn't available until level 75.
3. Sacred Shield isn't available until 80.
Which means I basically get the base defensive skills of a Protection Paladin, but my mana regeneration and offensive capabilities are limited, and I don't get Sacred Shield to absorb some damage and help heal myself in a pinch. So my attacks are limited to auto-attacking, judging, holy shield (which is more defensive and expensive to keep up), avenger's shield every 30 seconds, and Hammer of the Righteous every 6 seconds. And my mana will run out quick.
I think I'm answering my own question here...
But has anyone tried leveling like that, say after level 70? I would do a mix of questing and BGs; right now I'm Retribution and I love the self-heals, but my attacks seem a little low and I feel too squishy in BGs. For questing it's great, no downtime, tear through stuff. Just looking to mix it up a bit.
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You'll still do fantastic damage even without ShoR. I say try it. The main problem will probably be running out of mana with no perma-divine plea. I guess you can just take every possible oppertunity to leave combat and drink up. I go through a lot of invisibility potions while BGing as prot for that very reason. And judge wisdom unless you need to slow someone with JoJustice.
edit: Your main damage will come from hammer of the righteous and judgement really, i tend to use glyph of judgement to boost it even more. You'll be using seal of corruption/vengeance and it will stack incredibly quickly with reckoning proccing so often. It's got the most powerful judgement of any seal after that point. It's tempting also to fling avenger's shield while approaching someone but it's much better used for pressure. You will drop healers like a bad habit by sitting on them for a few seconds to stack corruption, waiting for offensive abilities to be up then Hammer of Justice > judgement, hammer of the righteous > Avenger's shield as they're coming out of the stun. Then arcane torrent if you have it.
Edited, May 3rd 2010 4:11pm by ArtemisEnteri
edit: Your main damage will come from hammer of the righteous and judgement really, i tend to use glyph of judgement to boost it even more. You'll be using seal of corruption/vengeance and it will stack incredibly quickly with reckoning proccing so often. It's got the most powerful judgement of any seal after that point. It's tempting also to fling avenger's shield while approaching someone but it's much better used for pressure. You will drop healers like a bad habit by sitting on them for a few seconds to stack corruption, waiting for offensive abilities to be up then Hammer of Justice > judgement, hammer of the righteous > Avenger's shield as they're coming out of the stun. Then arcane torrent if you have it.
Edited, May 3rd 2010 4:11pm by ArtemisEnteri
Thanks for the reply, I'm tempted to try it out :D
I'm curious; any good reason to put the last three points after the third tier in Retribution into Holy's "Seals of the Pure" instead? 9% more damage on SoV compared to 3% more damage overall?
I'm curious; any good reason to put the last three points after the third tier in Retribution into Holy's "Seals of the Pure" instead? 9% more damage on SoV compared to 3% more damage overall?
Crusade is actually 6% more total dps, since it's +3% from the first part of the talent, then a further 3% against humanoids etc, so 6% against pvp targets. I tested it on a target dummy, judgement of corruption + seal of corruption is about 33% of my total damage.
So you get about 5% more total damage for 5 points from seals of the pure, or 6% total damage for only 3 points from crusade. I only just worked this out actually, i'm going to change the spec i'm using atm. I clearly overvalued SotP.
Something like this maybe: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin#f8YuBQWJJXSQ1,-Hae3-,11723
Edited, May 4th 2010 4:20am by ArtemisEnteri
So you get about 5% more total damage for 5 points from seals of the pure, or 6% total damage for only 3 points from crusade. I only just worked this out actually, i'm going to change the spec i'm using atm. I clearly overvalued SotP.
Something like this maybe: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin#f8YuBQWJJXSQ1,-Hae3-,11723
Edited, May 4th 2010 4:20am by ArtemisEnteri
ArtemisEnteri wrote:
Crusade is actually 6% more total dps, since it's +3% from the first part of the talent, then a further 3% against humanoids etc, so 6% against pvp targets. I tested it on a target dummy, judgement of corruption + seal of corruption is about 33% of my total damage.
So you get about 5% more total damage for 5 points from seals of the pure, or 6% total damage for only 3 points from crusade. I only just worked this out actually, i'm going to change the spec i'm using atm. I clearly overvalued SotP.
Something like this maybe: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin#f8YuBQWJJXSQ1,-Hae3-,11723
Edited, May 4th 2010 4:20am by ArtemisEnteri
So you get about 5% more total damage for 5 points from seals of the pure, or 6% total damage for only 3 points from crusade. I only just worked this out actually, i'm going to change the spec i'm using atm. I clearly overvalued SotP.
Something like this maybe: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin#f8YuBQWJJXSQ1,-Hae3-,11723
Edited, May 4th 2010 4:20am by ArtemisEnteri
Do you find yourself using Divine Sacrifice that much? I can see the appeal in, say, Arena when your partner gets focused on... but even then, it seems like a pretty heft investment of 3 points, especially when you don't have Recknoning maxed out. I guess the only other use would be full toughness of 3/5 toughness and 3/3 Improved Devotion Aura (I assume that's the Aura of choice?)
I do mainly 5v5, but i'd use it in 2v2 as well. You can chain hand of sacrifice and divine sacrifice to be immune to certain cc for a very long time. The boost to sacred shield is huge as well.
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