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#1 Mar 10 2010 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
After 4 years of playing wow, I decided to roll a holy priest, and since I'm lazy I've levelled to 64 more or less by using the random dungeon finder all day long. I've enjoyed it alot more than I thought I would, if we don't count the times I've wanted to scream and pull my hair out in frustration when a whole room of mobs is pulled right after I've announced a mana break. Oh well.

Overall, the whole healing thing's been going fine, but I get these paranoid thoughts from time to time that I'm the worst healer ever. Other times I think I'm ok, but I'd like to improve and would really appreciate some tips.

My usual routine is to keep renew on the tank, flash or shield+flash on squishies, renew on the locks at all times, and primarily gheal the tanks. All goes out the window when everyone but the tank is tanking though, but my priority list is tank -> me -> dps, no matter how much whining that can lead too.









#2 Mar 10 2010 at 4:36 PM Rating: Good
I think usually Flash Heal is a better choice than Greater Heal. I don't think I've actually touched the latter in about 25 levels, and I'm 74 now.

Just check which one has more heal per second/mana at your level and use the one that's "better" more.
#3 Mar 10 2010 at 6:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think there's definitely a strong use for gheal for a holy priest below 80. I'd be doing pretty much what you're doing. You can always read the sticky for further tips. Circle of Healing for AOE damage, of course, or CoH+Prayer of Healing for serious AOE damage. If you don't have CoH yet you should soon.

Pretty soon you'll also get Prayer of Mending, also known as the big happy ball of healy goodness. Be sure to keep it on cooldown.
#4 Mar 10 2010 at 11:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I've tried to respond to this thread about three times now, but simply can't do it. Without trying to be an ***, I don't entirely get what you want us to say? Do you want confirmation that you are doing it right? If so: yes, you are doing it right.

Could you tell us exactly where your problem lies? Are you just unsure, is it GCD'ing (which is something you'll have to train yourself in) or do you have a specific reason to assume you're doing something wrong?
#5 Mar 11 2010 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I can appreciate getting a complex because of poor dps behavior, especially if this is his first healy toon, as it appears.

Don't let them get into your head. If everyone lived, you did good. If dps pull and you manage to keep them alive, you did great. Same scenario...they die...it's their fault (don't let them tell you otherwise...dps are infamous for not watching their aggro like they are supposed to).

If the tank dies, that's your fault. If the healer dies, it's usually the tank's fault...unless you forget to heal yourself.

I imagine that a lot of the tanks you're running into already have 80s and are making a tank alt. They are used to running dungeons at 80 where most healers have good enough mana regen to never drink. This, and the general attitude of ignoring the healer until something goes wrong, is why you're running into ppl pulling the whole room while you're drinking.

If it were me, and assuming I (you) told them I was (you were) drinking w/ enough warning, I'd save em once...remind the tank to watch your mana...and the second time I'd let em wipe.
#6 Mar 12 2010 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
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Well, in just a couple more levels, you will probably H-A-T-E Auchenai Crypts as much as I do... Shirrak the Dead Watcher is the WORST boss for healing that I have come across so far, especially with all the DK's queueing that think that they can tank... I am about to start dropping group when I end up in that one on random, since I already got the head and feet that I wanted...

But I feel your pain with the moron tanks and dps's out there that think that the healer having ~10% mana should be able heal when they pull an entire room... I started using this macro:

/y MANA BREAK!!!
/use Conjured Mountain Spring Water
/use Purified Draenic Water

(Modify as needed for your current level's drinking needs)

If the party doesn't pay attention, they get one reminder warning to pay closer attention to the blue bar on the healer and then I let them wipe... And Shadowmeld has saved my 10% on several occasions...
#7 Mar 12 2010 at 9:50 AM Rating: Good
Thanks for your replies. I think my problem is that I just feel a bit guilty when an overaggroing dps dies. Which is strange, because I always knew it was my own goddamn fault when I played my lock or rogue and overaggroed like hell and went *splat*, usually because I was drunk.

TDSunryzeX, you've just given me something to not look forward to. I'll bring a glass of wine with me.

All in all though, I love healing, I just never understood just how frustrating it can be at times.

Edited, Mar 12th 2010 10:50am by Cookiethief
#8 Mar 13 2010 at 11:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't heal stupid. I let them die and teabag their corpses for at least 30 seconds before rezzing them. I figure I'm doing my battlegroup a disservice if I enable them.
#9 Mar 14 2010 at 12:04 AM Rating: Decent
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I let them die and teabag their corpses for at least 30 seconds before rezzing them.

rez plz
plz rez
cn i get a rez?????
rez plz!!!
#10 Mar 14 2010 at 12:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Actually I don't think I've had any beg for rez. The handful that I've let die seem to either be mute or are to busy complaining about me not healing them.

To which I respond:
"I don't heal stupid."
"It's more mana efficient to wait for you to die and rez you."
"Move out of the pancakes of death and I might heal you."
etc.
#11 Mar 14 2010 at 4:21 AM Rating: Good
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I like you Sarcin.
#12 Mar 14 2010 at 5:38 AM Rating: Good
I regularly let Moz die when he overaggros with his Hot Streak procs. It's not like I can keep his squishy mage self up in the first place, and he knows it.

I do sometimes heal stupid if it's viable. Or if I'm the stupid one myself.
#13 Mar 14 2010 at 7:20 AM Rating: Good
I yell at stupid, after I've healed them. It would have to be an extreme case of repeated stupid for me to deliberately let them die.
#14 Mar 14 2010 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
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I regularly let Moz die when he overaggros with his Hot Streak procs. It's not like I can keep his squishy mage self up in the first place, and he knows it.

:laugh:

Well, the problem with being a mage is that it's living on a double edged blade. I often find myself with a mob in my face thinking "Alright, there's multiple possibilities now - either the mob melees me and I die. Or I Ice Block and nothing bad happens but I lose major DPS. Or I hope the mob gets taunted before I would die. Or I keep DPSing and the mob dies." and rather than bothering with Ice Block I generally just take the risk and continue DPSing.

It just doesn't work 50% of the time, and that's when you notice =P
#15 Mar 14 2010 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
Hey, I don't mind letting you die as long as you don't mind. I mean, if I can react fast enough, I even Shield-PoM-Penance you sometimes, and that's ok because then you're not doing your optimal rotation anymore anyway and Aeth has grabbed aggro again, etc.

Plus you know what you're doing, the tank knows, the healer knows, all is well. And you do awesome DPS.
#16 Mar 15 2010 at 6:11 AM Rating: Good
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Kalivha in response to Mozared wrote:
Hey, I don't mind letting you die as long as you don't mind. I mean, if I can react fast enough, I even Shield-PoM-Penance you sometimes, and that's ok because then you're not doing your optimal rotation anymore anyway and Aeth has grabbed aggro again, etc.

Plus you know what you're doing, the tank knows, the healer knows, all is well. And you do awesome DPS.


It is the mage gambit...

Should I..

A) Ice Block

B) :edit: Run to the tank.

c) Nuke HARDER

A good mage knows what choice is correct.

Edited, Mar 15th 2010 7:11am by Horsemouth
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#17 Mar 15 2010 at 7:58 AM Rating: Good
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Sometimes I just don't bother to pick the mobs off of Moz anymore, he's not going to stop bothering me until he's eating dust anyway.

Edit: of course, I'll say something like "taunt on cooldown" on skype so he doesn't know that I'm letting him die. Smiley: sly

Edited, Mar 15th 2010 2:58pm by Aethien
#18 Mar 15 2010 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
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I've finally specced into arcane now, though. It's technically a PvP spec, but mages tend to deal such sh*tloads of damage that for 5-mans it hardly matters. Single-target, anyway - I lost pretty much all my AOE damage. I now get -30% threat rather than a meager 10% (soon to be 20% after the next patch! o/).

Also...
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It is the mage gambit...

Should I..

A) Ice Block

B) :edit: Run to the tank.

c) Nuke HARDER

A good mage knows what choice is correct.

Hah, that's a trick question! The answer is ALWAYS C, even when the question isn't asked *nods*

Edited, Mar 15th 2010 3:42pm by Mozared
#19 Mar 15 2010 at 11:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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The Honorable dadanox wrote:
I yell at stupid, after I've healed them. It would have to be an extreme case of repeated stupid for me to deliberately let them die.


I don't even yell at them. I heal them if I can. If they're stupid more than once, I make polite suggestions and requests. After that, I will get harsher. But I do think there has been a cultural shift in WoW toward being way overly harsh on people making mistakes. If you don't have the patience to play with human error, then don't play with humans. There is plenty of perfectly nice computer-generated content for your misanthropic enjoyment.

However, under the following conditions, my peace love and cookies give way to GDIAF:

1. They try to blame me for the stupid.
2. They refuse to learn from their mistakes and/or act entitled to make them, or similarly fly in the face of common courtesy.
3. They use z's where s's should go. I'm sorry, what were you asking for? I don't have anything called "healz."
#20 Mar 15 2010 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
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However, under the following conditions, my peace love and cookies give way to GDIAF:

Hell hath no fury like a Teacake scorned.
#21 Mar 15 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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teacake wrote:
But I do think there has been a cultural shift in WoW toward being way overly harsh on people making mistakes. If you don't have the patience to play with human error, then don't play with humans.
I should note that I usually save stupid once or twice before letting them die a miserable death.
But when say... you're in heroic Halls of Lightning, you know the debuff that causes damage when you move?
I shield people who get that debuff so they can move a bit if needed.
If you start running around with that on and get yourself to 5% hp after burning through a shield and then, miraculously, stop moving once you get down low enough that it could kill you I'm not healing you.
And yes, that happened.
I told the hunter to eat as I don't heal stupid.
That particular event went quite out of control because there were 2 guildies of said hunter in the group protecting the behaviour and calling me a noob for not healing her.
Add that to the fact that they all spoke in leetspeak and the only reason I stayed was that I needed two more emblems for my heirloom.

In general a stupid name, leetspeak and begging for heals tend to bring the point of "No I'm not healing you, can't you see I'm busy dpsing?" a lot closer.
I'm usually willing to heal stupid indefinitely if the person committing the stupid is showing that he or she is trying, is capable of typing in English and tries to learn.
#22 Mar 15 2010 at 6:40 PM Rating: Decent
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If you start running around with that on and get yourself to 5% hp after burning through a shield and then, miraculously, stop moving once you get down low enough that it could kill you I'm not healing you.

That makes sense actually though, it's a really confusing debuff. I remember myself there the first time. I saw lightning beams on me and my first instinct was to 'move out of the fire'. But I kept getting hurt, so I kept moving. It took me half my hit points to realize that the damage stopped when I was standing still, as in pretty much all other cases it's the other way around.
#23 Mar 16 2010 at 3:04 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe I'd be somewhat inclined to believe that if it wasn't a hunter.
Who was running and jumping around.
During a fight.
With zero reason whatsoever to move, even without the debuff.


And honestly... Is it that hard to figure out?
I mean, you start taking damage once you move.
Take a step, hey the lightning follows me and I got hurt.
Take another step, hey the lightning is hurting me when I move.
It might take a few steps more for some people, but almost 25k health worth of ticks?
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