Bear tank here and I've been doing a lot of LFGs for badges to upgrade (had a brief intermission from WoW and fell behind). One thing that I've been noticing a lot though when peeps flash the DPS meters - I've been ranking 2nd place mostly and 3rd more often then 4th.
Now sometimes the reason is pretty obvious - the DPS are all fresh 80s with no gear and/or leveling builds - fair enough - someone in all low 200 stuff with a smattering of 240+ is going to slaughter guys who's best item is only 200. But there's also been a fair number of times where the DPS are just as well or better equipped then me and that's what really makes me wonder...
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I top meters all the time while tanking for a random daily.
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I can't speak for other bears, but it's not unusual to pull 2k+ in my not-yet-upgraded t8 set. That can be enough to be ahead of a DPS or two, depending on the group. But I don't really tank often, so I couldn't really say.
As a side question though, wasn't recount bugged on cross-server DPS or something? I thought I'd heard it was... if so did it ever get fixed? *shrugs*
As a side question though, wasn't recount bugged on cross-server DPS or something? I thought I'd heard it was... if so did it ever get fixed? *shrugs*
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I can't speak for other bears, but it's not unusual to pull 2k+ in my not-yet-upgraded t8 set. That can be enough to be ahead of a DPS or two, depending on the group. But I don't really tank often, so I couldn't really say.
As a side question though, wasn't recount bugged on cross-server DPS or something? I thought I'd heard it was... if so did it ever get fixed? *shrugs*
As a side question though, wasn't recount bugged on cross-server DPS or something? I thought I'd heard it was... if so did it ever get fixed? *shrugs*
I think sometimes it doesn't work at all but if it does work, it's fairly accurate.
They fixed the pet issue that was there.
If I use Berserk whenever possible (I seldom do), I can easily come out at around 3k DPS in heroics.
Pushed 3.5k DPS on Patchwerk the other night when it was the weekly raid quest.
Pushed 3.5k DPS on Patchwerk the other night when it was the weekly raid quest.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
If you're glyphed for Maul, and using swipe on multi pulls, and using a mix of DPS and Tank gear, it's actually not that difficult to come up with 4500 DPS while tanking in Bear form for a lot of these 5mans.
I'm usually ranging from 4500 to 4900 for a typical original wotlk 5man heroic because of the gear I choose to tank with for those easier dungeons. I even go so far as to use the blue idol that enhances swipe and maul damage because I'm not worried about mitigation. I actually have to thank a guild mate for that as that old idol had slipped my mind entirely until I seen him tank a 5man for me while using it.
Bears have it easy in the sense that we can juggle around gear between our Tank and DPS sets and come up with a set that speeds up 5mans easier than other tanks because we're not worried about how much defense we have in our gear set, though I have seen a guild paladin tanking as ret with a few key pieces of either tank gear or pvp gear to get crit immuntiy and still do 4/5ths of the damage he'd do if he were just pure dps. I think I read last week of a warrior using an off spec similarly, tailored specifically for tanking 5mans quickly.
When I see 50k HP tanks in old original wotlk 5man heroics, I can't help but wonder how much of that is wasted on the content they are doing. How much could they have swapped around to make things go faster? A Trinket? A Weapon? A Ring? Surely you don't need 50k HP to tank Heroic Gun, Nex, or the likes.
Another thing about the DPS done in 5mans, and looking at it from the other angle, is that a lot of people haven't quite figured out how to optimize themselves for the situation they are currently in. What was it, yesterday, I saw a druid, on o-boards, suggesting to just do your normal single target rotation on 3 or 4 pulls in 5mans? I thought to myself how silly that would look next to cat swipe spam. I've had bursts go upward of 22k DPS for a simple 3 or 4 pull in 5man heroics thanks to Swipe >> Swipe >> Barkskin >> Tiger's Fury >> Swipe >> Swipe >> everything's dead. OOC procs help too.
This day and age of promoting casual play has brought in an abundant amount of players that have come to rely on the casual catering this game has come to offer. The end result is a lot of people that aren't capable of quickly, and on the fly, altering their dps rotation depending on if aoe or single target dps is the better solution. I've seen mages doing Blizzard for several seconds after 2 or 3 other targets died and there was only one target still standing.
The average skill set of the player base isn't what it used to be, I don't think.
I'm usually ranging from 4500 to 4900 for a typical original wotlk 5man heroic because of the gear I choose to tank with for those easier dungeons. I even go so far as to use the blue idol that enhances swipe and maul damage because I'm not worried about mitigation. I actually have to thank a guild mate for that as that old idol had slipped my mind entirely until I seen him tank a 5man for me while using it.
Bears have it easy in the sense that we can juggle around gear between our Tank and DPS sets and come up with a set that speeds up 5mans easier than other tanks because we're not worried about how much defense we have in our gear set, though I have seen a guild paladin tanking as ret with a few key pieces of either tank gear or pvp gear to get crit immuntiy and still do 4/5ths of the damage he'd do if he were just pure dps. I think I read last week of a warrior using an off spec similarly, tailored specifically for tanking 5mans quickly.
When I see 50k HP tanks in old original wotlk 5man heroics, I can't help but wonder how much of that is wasted on the content they are doing. How much could they have swapped around to make things go faster? A Trinket? A Weapon? A Ring? Surely you don't need 50k HP to tank Heroic Gun, Nex, or the likes.
Another thing about the DPS done in 5mans, and looking at it from the other angle, is that a lot of people haven't quite figured out how to optimize themselves for the situation they are currently in. What was it, yesterday, I saw a druid, on o-boards, suggesting to just do your normal single target rotation on 3 or 4 pulls in 5mans? I thought to myself how silly that would look next to cat swipe spam. I've had bursts go upward of 22k DPS for a simple 3 or 4 pull in 5man heroics thanks to Swipe >> Swipe >> Barkskin >> Tiger's Fury >> Swipe >> Swipe >> everything's dead. OOC procs help too.
This day and age of promoting casual play has brought in an abundant amount of players that have come to rely on the casual catering this game has come to offer. The end result is a lot of people that aren't capable of quickly, and on the fly, altering their dps rotation depending on if aoe or single target dps is the better solution. I've seen mages doing Blizzard for several seconds after 2 or 3 other targets died and there was only one target still standing.
The average skill set of the player base isn't what it used to be, I don't think.
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I use pure DPS gear in heroics.
I get way to rage starved in tank gear.
My dodge/crit is over 50% and since it is mostly 232 or higher gear the armor is still really high.
Bear spec, cat gear is the way to go IMO.
I get way to rage starved in tank gear.
My dodge/crit is over 50% and since it is mostly 232 or higher gear the armor is still really high.
Bear spec, cat gear is the way to go IMO.
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Same here Horsemouth, bear spec, kitty gear. Fast runs and never lose threat.
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Hey Toxicityoh...
I see you are on my realm. I am one of the few alliance players left there. Almost thinking of doing a fraction change getting very hard to do anything in the ghost town.
I see you are on my realm. I am one of the few alliance players left there. Almost thinking of doing a fraction change getting very hard to do anything in the ghost town.
Yeah it is a very horde biased server, especially since faction changes became available. I think it is 9:1 now and the top 29 guilds are horde =(
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