Mana Gem instead of molten armor glyphFollow

Do you have replenishment? If you do you really shouldn't be running into mana problems. It is better to evocate when necessary than to swap out the MA glyph, probably giving you around 6-8% crit (gives me almost 10).

Edited, Jan 12th 2010 5:10pm by Anobix

which the best time to use evocation is at the end of a hasted period (end of icy veins or bloodlust with like 1 second left). if you are still having problems switch back to a less mana intensive rotation, 3xAB AM or 4xAB AM MBAR when you have it.

for the saurfang achievement it becomes trivial when you have a couple disc priests throwing out shields (he only gains marks when people take damage, absorbs don't count). So it really comes down to proper switching of targets and staying spread out (and not getting hit by beasts). We did it for the 3rd time in 25man last night, had 3 stacks and could probably do it in 2 if we work at it.

as for the deathwhisper one it isn't easy as you have to worry about kiting the big guy that one-shots people as well as keeping multiple things CCed, avoiding ghosts and DND on the ground plus interrupts, etc (I haven't done 10 but I understand everything is there minus MCs?).

Edited, Jan 13th 2010 2:31pm by Anobix

there isn't much reason to not use missile barrage, the dps of it is really good and the cast is free, saving mana.

Mage armor is really a last case scenario though, it is generally better off using a less mana intensive rotation by a notch (ABspam-Mbar -> ABx4-AM, for example) than to give up 10% crit -- that is a TON of dps.

You're going to see lower numbers in ICC because of the fights being more technical.
To give you an idea, we have a rogue doing 11K in Twins (we use a method that involves one person collecting all the spheres of each color, so we don't get huge dps boosts like other guilds), but only averages 7K on Saurfang. My frost mage does a solid 5K kiting there.
What I will tell you, however, is that after browsing TONS of logs, I can tell that we aren't all that low in DPS afterall. For example, Anobix's guild does a range of 4-8K DPS on Saurfang. (on that note, I wish that 10 mans had room to carry people. 4K?!)
Anobix himself is only doing 5300 there (again, because of the kiting). Note that I'm a frost mage :D
For evidence, I'll make sure to go on my Mage Monday and log that up.
Edit: I have this screenshot, it's better than nothing. It was our last attempt at Saurfang for the night, got him to 10% because of a nasty mark on a healer (We still aren't at the point where we can beat him without a mark showing up, despite our numbers).
Screenshot with Recount
Ignore my lack of gold, I roll like that >.>

You'll see our numbers, and we can comfortably beat him if luck rolls our side of the die. The rogue on top is actually a Combat Rogue, not a Mut as you'd expect (second is Mut). The Mage (me!) is -Frost- and keeping up a VERY healthy pace, despite the kiting (Higher than I thought it was, I was thinking more like 5100 at max).
You'll also note we do this with only two ranged.

I'm rambling now, I better leave.


Edited, Jan 17th 2010 5:00am by jaysgsl

Well you can but really only under conditions where you will have the mana to spare to fish for the Mbar procs (such as when all cooldowns are popped etc and you want to squeeze out that last bit of dps) but then moving back to normal 'rotation' afterwards can work. I generally never go past 6 casts, and even with that it is rare to do so.

I recommend using Power Auras and Mage Nuggets to track your AB debuffs on the middle of your screen (so you don't have to count or look at your buffs/debuffs off to the side).