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There's been a lot of discussion on this lately, which is good. There's still a bit of debate on whether you should watch your paladin tank's mana and hold off on the shield if his mana is low. Since they have the ability to gain mana from healing, they are the only class I may choose not to shield as much.
To be honest, I luckily haven't seen much people like that lately. I can't even remember the last time someone told me I sucked at healing or was doing it wrong - I guess our battlegroup is just educated. As for paladins - I've foregone that discussion altogether and always shield everyone whenever I feel like it. It has never gotten us in trouble because the paladin ran OOM.
To be honest, if your paladin tank runs out of mana due to shielding then he sucks. Paladin tanks have a million ways of getting back mana, and if they are losing enough mana from shielding to cause them issues then they are doing something wrong.
thegreatmothra wrote:
To be honest, if your paladin tank runs out of mana due to shielding then he sucks. Paladin tanks have a million ways of getting back mana, and if they are losing enough mana from shielding to cause them issues then they are doing something wrong.
Thanks. That's one class I never made it past 20 with, so I'm not really experienced with them.
If anyone gets angry at my priest for shielding people I'd start laughing.
Then I'd link them Guessed absorbs.
That should shut them up nicely :P
Then I'd link them Guessed absorbs.
That should shut them up nicely :P
thegreatmothra wrote:
To be honest, if your paladin tank runs out of mana due to shielding then he sucks. Paladin tanks have a million ways of getting back mana, and if they are losing enough mana from shielding to cause them issues then they are doing something wrong.
I second that emotion.
Some paladin tanks will still use Kings on themselves instead of Blessing of Sanctuary in 5 mans, i kid you not. I've seen it man, and it ain't pretty.
(Sanct is roughly the same stat boost as Kings, but it also reduces all incoming damage by 3% and gives like 150 mana every time the pally dodges parries or blocks)
(Sanct is roughly the same stat boost as Kings, but it also reduces all incoming damage by 3% and gives like 150 mana every time the pally dodges parries or blocks)
ArtemisEnteri wrote:
Some paladin tanks will still use Kings on themselves instead of Blessing of Sanctuary in 5 mans, i kid you not. I've seen it man, and it ain't pretty.
(Sanct is roughly the same stat boost as Kings, but it also reduces all incoming damage by 3% and gives like 150 mana every time the pally dodges parries or blocks)
(Sanct is roughly the same stat boost as Kings, but it also reduces all incoming damage by 3% and gives like 150 mana every time the pally dodges parries or blocks)
I've never tanked on my pally, but wouldn't the perma-plea be enough anyway?
Not that I think they should use Kings. I'm just saying they have so many mana tricks, I don't get how they could run out even if they tried (although again, I haven't done it). I can spam heals constantly and indefinitely on my paladin with a prot build and never run out of mana ever.
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(Sanct is roughly the same stat boost as Kings, but it also reduces all incoming damage by 3% and gives like 150 mana every time the pally dodges parries or blocks)
To be more specific, Sanctuary boosts Stamina and Strength by 10%, reduces damage by 3% and restores 2% max mana when the target blocks, parries or dodges (meaning they get more with Arcane Intellect).
So, while they lose 10% to Agility, Spirit and Intellect... Who cares? Like, that's a wee bit of armor, dodge and crit. Some mana regen they won't need, since it won't save them from drinking if they need to. And Intellect just lowers their spell crit (if they use it--I dunno) a little, as well as their mana pool.
But the 2% from the dodge should be way more than 10% int provides in a fight (150 return is 10 int. And I doubt Holy Pallies have more than 200 intellect. You WILL dodge/parry/block at 20 times in a boss fight (that's about a minute to minute-20 with my DK, and I can't block). And, even if you don't, it doesn't matter because you don't have to drink your mana back up. Spirit may make you need .1 less tics. Unfortunately, it's all or nothing.
Agility's armor and Dodge wouldn't match the 3% damage reduction by a LOOOOOONG shot.
And the Str/Stam are equal.
And, I THINK a Pally can have both Kings and Sanc on them. They just won't get any more Stam/Str (it'll remain a 10% bonus, not go up to 20%). I could EASILY be COMPLETELY wrong about this though.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
I'm pretty sure they can't have both without 2 paladins in the group. Either way its no excuse. If they outgear the content to a degree where mana becomes an issue due to "excessive" shielding then they should be using santuary regardless of if kings is better or not.
As a pally tank:
- Indeed only Blessing of Sanctuary and Blessing of Kings (no overlap on +10% str/sta there, alas, but you get +10% to int/spi and agi from the Kings) if you have two pallies.
- Blessing of Sanctuary is ALWAYS the better choice, no argument.
- Shielding me never ever even came close to being the reason for OOM (only reason could be mana burning or whatsoever).
Just my 2 cc.
- Indeed only Blessing of Sanctuary and Blessing of Kings (no overlap on +10% str/sta there, alas, but you get +10% to int/spi and agi from the Kings) if you have two pallies.
- Blessing of Sanctuary is ALWAYS the better choice, no argument.
- Shielding me never ever even came close to being the reason for OOM (only reason could be mana burning or whatsoever).
Just my 2 cc.
teacake wrote:
I've never tanked on my pally, but wouldn't the perma-plea be enough anyway?
It's good, it gives 25% of your total mana pool over 12 seconds. Prots will have no intellect though(hurrrr), so that mana pool is less than 6000. And tanking spells are really expensive, like Avenger's Shield and holy shield. Especially holy shield actually, cause you'll be reapplying it every 8 seconds.
Sanctuary is basically used to pay for the cost of Holy Shield, which takes about 4 blocks dodges or parries. I find in very high avoidance gear you need BoSanct, judgement of wisdom and divine plea up just to maintain a constant level of mana. I'm really considering taking the points out of Spiritual Attunement, i never take damage in heroics anyway. I could just get more crit or damage to further humiliate random dps from the EU. I was doing an average of 3.7k in culling of stratholme a few days ago :)
The traditional answer to mana problems for prot: pull more mobs, get loads of things hitting you at once and take more damage.
ArtemisEnteri wrote:
I'm really considering taking the points out of Spiritual Attunement, i never take damage in heroics anyway
Don't most prot pallies only put 1 point in SA anyway?
Hellbanned
idiggory wrote:
Drinking at home. But I could probably stand to get laid.
In a raiding build, 1 Point is enough for having enough mana return on most boss fights.
With my paladin tank, I also forego BoSac and use Kings whilst raid tanking as well.
However, I am almost always mana starved in 5 man dungeons to the point where I just skip stuff in my rotation in order to keep some mana for oh **** moments.
With my paladin tank, I also forego BoSac and use Kings whilst raid tanking as well.
However, I am almost always mana starved in 5 man dungeons to the point where I just skip stuff in my rotation in order to keep some mana for oh **** moments.
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