Well being a long time since I have been to the forum as I was taking a one month or so break from WoW. Also RL issues.
Well I am back and just started raiding. Before taking a break, I stuck clearly with what was told to me before here on gearing this toon.
I just started raiding 2 weeks ago and did 10 naxx with blues and slowly replacing them. I am mainly doing raid heals unless I am asked to heal the OT or MT at times.
My raid assist leader is also a priest and heals the MT. He has more spell power(2.1K) then me but I have more spirit. So far I have never ran out of mana in boss fights.
I was wondering whether is it time to change the gemming and enchants to shift more to spell power. However I am currently comfortable with the way I have geared and happy with the way it has perform in naxx. Next week we may be doing Uldar. (Thanks to all of you here. Best class forum imho).
Your thoughts on this pls but I do know that I need to hit to 2k(min) heals. Currently I am 1.8k unbuffed.
So you think i need to regem my gears more to spell power then spirit. I have linked my toon here. Kindly advise pls. ty
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Saurfang&cn=Starpriest&gn=Conclave+of+the+Shadows
Thank you guys for all the advice and help you have given me. I myself was so worried going into naxx in trying to heal but with good team work we made it. I never ran out of mana for the entire raid so far and I intend to keep it that way.
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Sorri double post. hit the button twice accidently.
The best way to go for a priest (or generally most classes) is to bring crit, intellect, spellpower, spirit, mp5 and to a lesser extend haste up equally. The answer really is easier then you might think - if you never run out of mana, you might want to trade in some spirit for one of the other stats. In an optimal world you will always get close to running out of mana but never actually do it, allowing you to spend the rest of your points on int, crit and spellpower. I don't know an easier way to say it, really, keeping a healthy balance is the key to gearing well. If you feel like you have too much of a stat, you probably do.
My question for you would be, "How often do you cast Gheal?" Or, more to the point, require a larger or faster Gheal?
I know you didn't ask for help regarding spec, but I am a nosy person. =)
With 5/5 Divine Fury (for speed), 3/3 Improved Healing (for efficiency), and 5/5 Empowered Healing (throughput based on SP), I would think based on your comments that you could spare some points for 3/3 Test of Faith which adds a hefty healing bonus when it is really needed, and affects all heals. It also is based on the actual heal size and is only indirectly reduced by spell coefficients. (Generally, longer casting spells benefit more from SP and bonuses based on SP than shorter casting and instant spells.)
As Mozared said, there is something about building up stats in relatively equal proportion that makes sense. I have come across posts/guides that explicitly say gem Int for efficiency and SP for throughput and build your style around the rest of the stats on the best gear you can get, but that is only another opinion.
I myself prefer proportion, but if you feel you require SP and don't feel it will harm your efficiency, gem it directly and not try to build it up passively through Spirit.
I know you didn't ask for help regarding spec, but I am a nosy person. =)
With 5/5 Divine Fury (for speed), 3/3 Improved Healing (for efficiency), and 5/5 Empowered Healing (throughput based on SP), I would think based on your comments that you could spare some points for 3/3 Test of Faith which adds a hefty healing bonus when it is really needed, and affects all heals. It also is based on the actual heal size and is only indirectly reduced by spell coefficients. (Generally, longer casting spells benefit more from SP and bonuses based on SP than shorter casting and instant spells.)
As Mozared said, there is something about building up stats in relatively equal proportion that makes sense. I have come across posts/guides that explicitly say gem Int for efficiency and SP for throughput and build your style around the rest of the stats on the best gear you can get, but that is only another opinion.
I myself prefer proportion, but if you feel you require SP and don't feel it will harm your efficiency, gem it directly and not try to build it up passively through Spirit.
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Posted: Oct 19 2009 at 1:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Caster classes(aside Holy Pally) have one major thing in common.
SarionBelmont wrote:
You ONLY gem/chant for SP.
Um.
Like most generalizations, this is too, yanno, general. 3000sp isn't going to do you a whole lot of good with a 13k mana pool (I exaggerate for effect). Also, a lot of it will depend on playstyle and what you're doing.
Intellect is a perfectly legitimate thing to gem for, especially in a Disc spec. Spirit or MP5 (depending on spec), at least in purple and green, are perfectly appropriate if your gear happens to be in a place where your regen is too slight. We don't always control when we get upgrades or what's the best we can do in a particular slot at a particular time. These supplemental items are meant to help you balance. Gems (and to a lesser extent, enchants) are easily changeable and they're there to fill gaps in your gear, whatever those gaps may be.
And occasionally, there is even a worthwhile slot bonus.
SarionBelmont wrote:
On extra slots(like boots) that have no available SP chant, then you go for Spirit or the like.
And for the sake of all that is good, put Tuskarr's on your boots.
teacake wrote:
And for the sake of all that is good, put Tuskarr's on your boots.
/facepalm
I've had the mats in my bag to get Tuskarr's on my kicks for a few weeks now and keep forgetting.
Yeah Harihara, you can get much better usage out of your meta than the one you have now by trading the 18 spirit off your boots for the Tuskarr's
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Thank you all for the valuable insights you have given me. So basically I need to gem more towards SP and Intellect and change the boots enchant as well. Ok more or less i got this in my head now.
However I need to ask as to how much I can sacrifice spirit meaning to say whats the safest bet to keep your spirit. Currently its sitting at 1041. So how much can i bring down to.
Also I seldom cast greater heal but yes once in awhile I do cast GHeals. Its basically flash heals and renews on the dps group and CoH, PoH incase of AOE damages and POM. Throughout the entire raid I have not gone OOM yet.( Thanks to you guys and the raid grp cos we listen to the raid leaders). There were times where I was asked to shift heals to MT or OT before. Never really asked the main healer why. Thats what prompted me to check the amrory to do a comparssion of his stats and mine and thats where I found he seems to have SP more whereas I have more Spirit.
Largest amount of mana used was about 3/4 of my mana pool but thats if somes goes wrong. Other then that I am quite comfortable for the moment. Got to see how I fair in other raids.
Once I am able to get this sorted out, then I can start gemming soon. So basically I would like to know how much of spirit that i can drop too.
Thanks to all of you and have a nice week.
Cheers
However I need to ask as to how much I can sacrifice spirit meaning to say whats the safest bet to keep your spirit. Currently its sitting at 1041. So how much can i bring down to.
Also I seldom cast greater heal but yes once in awhile I do cast GHeals. Its basically flash heals and renews on the dps group and CoH, PoH incase of AOE damages and POM. Throughout the entire raid I have not gone OOM yet.( Thanks to you guys and the raid grp cos we listen to the raid leaders). There were times where I was asked to shift heals to MT or OT before. Never really asked the main healer why. Thats what prompted me to check the amrory to do a comparssion of his stats and mine and thats where I found he seems to have SP more whereas I have more Spirit.
Largest amount of mana used was about 3/4 of my mana pool but thats if somes goes wrong. Other then that I am quite comfortable for the moment. Got to see how I fair in other raids.
Once I am able to get this sorted out, then I can start gemming soon. So basically I would like to know how much of spirit that i can drop too.
Thanks to all of you and have a nice week.
Cheers
I've always focused more on mp5 than spirit (you can check my armory link below), and when not gemming specifically for spellpower, I may go for spellpower/mp5 or intellect. Your Spirit-World Glass trinket gives you nothing but spirit. It seems that putting a trinket with some spell power there would be a good thing. I'd be trying to get my spell power up to about 2k.
I think if you traded a couple hundred spirit for increased spell power and some more intellect or mp5 that would be good. My spirit is at 818 and I've never had any issues. When they eliminate mp5 in the future, I expect to see my spirit adjusted upwards by Blizzard in the transition.
Edited, Oct 19th 2009 11:38pm by dadanox
I think if you traded a couple hundred spirit for increased spell power and some more intellect or mp5 that would be good. My spirit is at 818 and I've never had any issues. When they eliminate mp5 in the future, I expect to see my spirit adjusted upwards by Blizzard in the transition.
Edited, Oct 19th 2009 11:38pm by dadanox
teacake wrote:
SarionBelmont wrote:
You ONLY gem/chant for SP.
Um.
Like most generalizations, this is too, yanno, general. 3000sp isn't going to do you a whole lot of good with a 13k mana pool (I exaggerate for effect). Also, a lot of it will depend on playstyle and what you're doing.
Intellect is a perfectly legitimate thing to gem for, especially in a Disc spec. Spirit or MP5 (depending on spec), at least in purple and green, are perfectly appropriate if your gear happens to be in a place where your regen is too slight. We don't always control when we get upgrades or what's the best we can do in a particular slot at a particular time. These supplemental items are meant to help you balance. Gems (and to a lesser extent, enchants) are easily changeable and they're there to fill gaps in your gear, whatever those gaps may be.
And occasionally, there is even a worthwhile slot bonus.
SarionBelmont wrote:
On extra slots(like boots) that have no available SP chant, then you go for Spirit or the like.
And for the sake of all that is good, put Tuskarr's on your boots.
I think it has to be based on gear level. Right now with my 2200? 2300? Not sure and wow-heroes is REALLY slow right now... I have 904mp5 raid buffed which is.. obscene. Plus Meta gem and Trinket restore Mana. I think the only time I've ever gotten below 50% mana was spamming Prayer of Healing.
I could never justify gemming Int as a Disc right now... is this something that helps more with 2500+ score? I am genuinely curious because I'd like to better myself :) I was told to treat Disc like Mage, minus hit for mp5.
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Mmmmm Mp5 is also a necessary stat to go for too. Thought it was more towards healing shammys. So sorry for saying this cos I was away from WoW for a period of time, so I may not be aware of the changes that was made.
Heard the spirit was nerfed as well but not too sure about this. I think I'll try to gemming with SP and Intellect and see how its goes for the moment.
Thank you very much for your assistance.
Heard the spirit was nerfed as well but not too sure about this. I think I'll try to gemming with SP and Intellect and see how its goes for the moment.
Thank you very much for your assistance.
The Honorable dadanox wrote:
I've always focused more on mp5 than spirit (you can check my armory link below
For Holy (OP is Holy)? Last I heard, Spirit was still better than MP5 for Holy, opposite for Disc.
For disc it depends. I calculated it at one point and the result was that spirit = mp5 on a 3:1 ratio. So if there's more than 3 times as much spirit then there is mp5, you'll want the item with spirit; else, mp5. For holy the ratio is closer to 4:1, which ensures that you're basically always grabbing the items with spirit on them as you rarely find an item that has 4 times as much spirit as your current item has mp5.
Also, yes, gemming int is name of the game for disc priests. Mental Strength gives us so much more mileage out of intellect that generally grabbing as much of it as you can will grant you a better longevity than grabbing spirit or mp5.
Also, yes, gemming int is name of the game for disc priests. Mental Strength gives us so much more mileage out of intellect that generally grabbing as much of it as you can will grant you a better longevity than grabbing spirit or mp5.
teacake wrote:
The Honorable dadanox wrote:
I've always focused more on mp5 than spirit (you can check my armory link below
For Holy (OP is Holy)? Last I heard, Spirit was still better than MP5 for Holy, opposite for Disc.
Spirit has the extra SP boost for Holy, so it adds to throughput as well as a regen factor. It also scales with buffs and talents, while mp5 does not. As far as straight regen, 10 mp5 still beats 20 Spirit (even after talents and buffs). I base the comparison on current gem itemization. But as far as gemming for either, I think there are better choices than Spirit or mp5 on higher levels of gear*.
Int also scales with buffs and while it is factored into regen from spirit, it's major contribution to regen comes from sources that factor in total mana pool, i.e. Shadowfiend, Mana Tide totem, Replenishment, Hymn of Hope... It also raises crit, which in turn raises regen (via Spirit! lol) through Holy Conc.
One thing to consider while building Spirit or Int for regen is your playstyle as well. If you are not rolling out Empowered Renews, your Holy Conc procs will be low, and you will not be getting full benefit from that Spirit or Int on your gear.
*Most opinions on augmenting your gear are based on having the high-end gear. While still in the gearing up phase of your toons, many alternatives exist to examine. I suggest you do so in order to get a better perspective of the options that theorycrafters have deigned Best.
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