So currently I am Disc/Shadow but to be honest I am not willing to run Heroics for the badges to get T8.5 Shadow gear. Definitely unwilling to do Triumph badges so I am settled on Shadow being a VERY offspec sort of thing. Mostly for "well, we only need 2 heals, go dps" or "Naxx! NEED SP!" moments. I personally am not a huge fan of Shadow(I have a Mage for my caster DPS moodes) but I like being more versatile.
As it stands now I tried working with HealBot but it's tough and I found simply no-addons easiest for healing my party. As Disc, I am tank only.
As Holy, I'd be expected to raid heal, but gearing up would be a THOUSAND times easier(same tier, same gear basically) but I would need a bunch of help on how to raid heal.
Just love a lot of the Holy talents and again, I like the thought of being versatile.
Any advice on pros cons?
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I'm not sure what you're asking from us here. The pro of disc/holy is that you can tank and raid heal over disc/shadow. The con is that you can't DPS. I think it's up to you to decide what you need to do more often and what you lke best and then grab that as an offspec.
Mozared wrote:
I'm not sure what you're asking from us here. The pro of disc/holy is that you can tank and raid heal over disc/shadow. The con is that you can't DPS. I think it's up to you to decide what you need to do more often and what you lke best and then grab that as an offspec.
I know it's vague and I apologize, brain is on a little vacation(abscess tooth+tons of pain killers = suck)I'm more trying to consider in the land of PuG, is it worth going Disc/Holy for versatility (and can Holy Pally heal a MT or ONLY raid heal?) or should I stick with a mediocre Shadow for simple fights(like in Uld fights where less heals is fine)?
I normally raid with the same people with a disc/holy spec. We focus more on 10-mans and I normally am paired with a druid healer, so my holy spec goes largely unused. It gives me a viable option as healer... period. When I join a 25 man group, it does allow some versatility as far as other healer selection goes. If I see 2 pally healers in the group, I automatically switch to holy. With one pally, I stay disc and can MT heal and freelance shielding on the raid.
If there is another disc in the group, I talk with them and set up a plan as far as healing goes. Normally whoever has the most SP gets to shield the tanks, the other needs to feed their BT off the raid.
It doesn't sound as if you are too keen about shadow. There is nothing wrong with Disc/Holy spec. The only difficulty I notice is the different mindset regarding the two healing specialties. Try healing a PuG through Naxx as Holy before hitting current level stuff.
If there is another disc in the group, I talk with them and set up a plan as far as healing goes. Normally whoever has the most SP gets to shield the tanks, the other needs to feed their BT off the raid.
It doesn't sound as if you are too keen about shadow. There is nothing wrong with Disc/Holy spec. The only difficulty I notice is the different mindset regarding the two healing specialties. Try healing a PuG through Naxx as Holy before hitting current level stuff.
SarionBelmont wrote:
I'm more trying to consider in the land of PuG, is it worth going Disc/Holy for versatility (and can Holy Pally heal a MT or ONLY raid heal?) or should I stick with a mediocre Shadow for simple fights(like in Uld fights where less heals is fine)?
Are you asking if you should dual spec holy/shadow, or holy/disc?
Whether you heal as holy or disc really comes down to what you like. Both can heal fine. I'm disc/holy, and really don't use the holy at this point. It's totally up to you. Respecs are cheap. Give it a try. Personally, if I want to dps, I'd rather bring one of my other dps characters.
If you're talking about heroics and Naxx, I'd suggest Disc/Shadow in that case. For the simple reason that you don't need an additional healing spec for that content. Disc will do just fine in every encounter, and the versatility of being able to DPS is worth more than an additional spec you will never actually need in the content you're currently doing. The deal is that disc can do tank healing and fill a niche of raid healing by shielding a lot and dispelling. Holy can only provide big AOE healing throughput and can't do tank healing (not past heroics, anyway).
Go Disc/Disc of course.
It's the obvious choice.
It's the obvious choice.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Go Disc/Disc of course.
It's the obvious choice.
It's the obvious choice.
I'm Disc/Disc. All the cool kids are doing it. Give in to peer pressure. If Aethien levitated off a cliff, wouldn't you do it too?
I'm in the same situation as the OP (except I'm currently holy/shadow). I've been thinking about dropping shadow so I can tank-heal better in 5mans. Utility-wise keeping shadow will make you more useful for the reasons you already mentioned. The sad thing is the main reason I haven't made the switch is because I haven't figured out how to save profiles in HealBot so I can switch back and forth without having to redo my mouse bindings. I didn't spend a lot of time looking but it didn't even look possible.
HunterJones wrote:
The sad thing is the main reason I haven't made the switch is because I haven't figured out how to save profiles in HealBot so I can switch back and forth without having to redo my mouse bindings.
If you go disc, you should switch from Healbot. The reason is that disc relies on PW:Shield as one of your primary spells. Healbot does not show when the shield is used up, only when it times out. This is unacceptable to a disc priest casting multiple shields.
I use Vuhdo. Grid is also very capable. Others just use their regular raidframes like Pitbull.
teacake wrote:
If Aethien levitated off a cliff, wouldn't you do it too?
If only I had room for the glyph of levitating in my PvP spec, it's such a fun spell.
And my priest is Disc/Disc, my hunter SV/SV, my old hunter unspecced/unspecced (yes, that's how long ago it is that I touched her) and my shaman will be Enhance/Enhance once I get him to lvl 80 and buy dualspec.
I go Shadow/Disc on both my priests. I meant to go Shadow/Holy on the second, but leveling in AV... well, Disc seems far more useful and I already know how to heal well in disc...
I like that ability to to switch between Healing and DPS because in my raid I'm normally DPS, but still have the ability to switch to heals when one of out main pally healers are out. (And I've been told I would heal more if we didn't have like 5 solid pally healers in the raid)
So, honestly, it's your choice. I like being able to switch between DPS and heals, I think it makes me more versital than being 2 healing spec.
That and I like shadow DPS.
I like that ability to to switch between Healing and DPS because in my raid I'm normally DPS, but still have the ability to switch to heals when one of out main pally healers are out. (And I've been told I would heal more if we didn't have like 5 solid pally healers in the raid)
So, honestly, it's your choice. I like being able to switch between DPS and heals, I think it makes me more versital than being 2 healing spec.
That and I like shadow DPS.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
If only I had room for the glyph of levitating in my PvP spec, it's such a fun spell.
What are you using instead? I would never give up my glyph of levitation. It's saved mine or a friend's life on many occasions. Nothing like LOSing a caster or getting away from melee by jumping off a cliff at 2% health. Plus it's great for jumping out of the water and mounting up right in the middle of a lake, which is always a crowd pleaser. I would never remember to carry feathers around. And I don't find many useful minor glyphs except Shadowfiend.
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Plus it's great for jumping out of the water and mounting up right in the middle of a lake, which is always a crowd pleaser.
Hmmmmmmm.
I do agree with Tea though, as usual. I'm assuming you're using the glyph of Shadow Protection instead, but it's argueable whether it's better or not.
teacake wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
If only I had room for the glyph of levitating in my PvP spec, it's such a fun spell.
What are you using instead? I would never give up my glyph of levitation. It's saved mine or a friend's life on many occasions. Nothing like LOSing a caster or getting away from melee by jumping off a cliff at 2% health. Plus it's great for jumping out of the water and mounting up right in the middle of a lake, which is always a crowd pleaser. I would never remember to carry feathers around. And I don't find many useful minor glyphs except Shadowfiend.
I'm guessing Shackle, Fort and Fiend for PvP. Those are the ones that make sense.
teacake wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
If only I had room for the glyph of levitating in my PvP spec, it's such a fun spell.
Levitate, however much fun it might be, does not add anything for arena.
Except I might get a little further when jumping off the bridge in Blade's Edge arena or when jumping down from top to bottom in dalaran.
Neither of which I'd actually want.
Trylofer wrote:
I'm guessing Shackle, Fort and Fiend for PvP. Those are the ones that make sense.
Am I the only one that doesn't use the Fort glyph? I know 50% is a lot of mana, but it seems like a waste of a glyph slot to reduce mana for a spell I never cast in combat anyway. 90% of the time I cast fort it's during Preparation, when it's free, or right before going into something/after a wipe, when I'm going to sit and eat & drink right after anyway.
The other 10% is when I'm rezzing in a battleground graveyard, and I just rebuff as I run out, mana's back to full by the time I get back in action.
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Levitate, however much fun it might be, does not add anything for arena.
This I can see. My PVP spec is really built more around battlegrounds, because I like battlegrounds and hate arena, and for those times when I must arena, let's face it, it's not my spec that's keeping me from 1800, you know?
Edited, Oct 14th 2009 2:54pm by teacake
teacake wrote:
Am I the only one that doesn't use the Fort glyph? I know 50% is a lot of mana, but it seems like a waste of a glyph slot to reduce mana for a spell I never cast in combat anyway.
And I don't use fiend glyph, the 5% of max mana isn't that great and I play with a feral so I get innervates anyway.
It takes a lot of mana burning me before I run OoM.
People never really kill fiends, it's usually slowed/rooted, which has the same effect as killing it only it's much quicker.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Against any shaman/priest/mage or even hunter team it's awesome.
Another thing I can see for arena. In bg's I don't see enough offensive dispelling going around for it to be an issue, because Alliance is stupid.
I'm sure when rated battlegrounds come along I'll need to rethink it.I use combat forts occasionally when fighting a dispeller. Mostly the glyph is for when I come across groups or reinforcements show up that have lost its fort and do a quick group buff. I have my grid set to show missing buffs, so I can see who has priest buffs at a glance.
I only play BG's because I have to.
I need the honor, but if I didn't I wouldn't ever bother to go into a BG.
I need the honor, but if I didn't I wouldn't ever bother to go into a BG.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
People never really kill fiends, it's usually slowed/rooted, which has the same effect as killing it only it's much quicker.
Doesn't Shadowcrawl clear movement impairing effects? I thought it did, but now am not so sure.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
I only play BG's because I have to.
I need the honor, but if I didn't I wouldn't ever bother to go into a BG.
I need the honor, but if I didn't I wouldn't ever bother to go into a BG.
Exactly how I feel about arena, if you replace "honor" with "marital harmony." 2x2 fights do not interest me. It's not only because I'm bad at it. PVP only makes sense to me with an objective of some kind, a general to kill, a wall to knock down, a base to defend. If we're just going to stand around whacking at each other we might as well be at the Crossroads.
Try, Shadowcrawl more or less teleports them to the target, but once they're out there, everyone cc's the fiend.
I like senseless killing 
No really, I much prefer a small scale competitive environment where tactics and communication win games over swimming around in what often feels like a pool of stupid.
No really, I much prefer a small scale competitive environment where tactics and communication win games over swimming around in what often feels like a pool of stupid.
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