I have been really enjoying playing the druid after years of battling to master the delights of being a rogue. Levelling fast and have decided to spec feral and tanking with the bear. Am at level 45. Any tips concerning a decent rotation?
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At your level, the easiest tanking rotation is, Feral Faerie Fire, Swipe, Demoralizing Roar, Queue maul, and spam swipe. Tab through targets and apply FFF to a different mob every time its ready, or use it to keep a ranged mob focused on you if it didn't run towards you. Keep demo up, glyph of maul is nice.
Maul and Mangle are the 2 best fast aggro hits we have, useful for building a good fast lead on threat.
Lacerate is a stacking bleed affect, just stack it to 5 then keep it going.
Swipe is for multi-mobs or when you want to dump rage.
Feral FF is a nice little ranged threat boost as well.
Feral Charge is useful for getting to mobs.
Everything else is not really necessary..
Use Maul+Mangle as you move in > FFF > lacerate spam > keep mangle up > now you have a massive threat leave and all this rage to play with.
Lacerate is a stacking bleed affect, just stack it to 5 then keep it going.
Swipe is for multi-mobs or when you want to dump rage.
Feral FF is a nice little ranged threat boost as well.
Feral Charge is useful for getting to mobs.
Everything else is not really necessary..
Use Maul+Mangle as you move in > FFF > lacerate spam > keep mangle up > now you have a massive threat leave and all this rage to play with.
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Thanks as ever for the constructive help -much appreciated
Single targets:
Keep demo roar up.
Keep Mangle on CD.
Keep FFF on CD.
Lacerate spam in between those CDs.
Spam Maul.
Multiple targets with focus fire is more or less like single targets but replace Lacerate spam with Swipe spam.
AOE packs:
Spam Maul and Swipe. You don't have time or GCDs for anything else in my experience, you'll lose aggro. Keep enemy health bars up and click any of them that turn yellow and give em a Growl and keep target on them to get some Maul offloaded on em.
Doing this I pull a good 5~6k TPS on single targets, 4~5k on aoe packs. I've never lost a clothie to an aoe pack if they gave me 4 seconds first.
Edited, Sep 11th 2009 12:27pm by Norellicus
Keep demo roar up.
Keep Mangle on CD.
Keep FFF on CD.
Lacerate spam in between those CDs.
Spam Maul.
Multiple targets with focus fire is more or less like single targets but replace Lacerate spam with Swipe spam.
AOE packs:
Spam Maul and Swipe. You don't have time or GCDs for anything else in my experience, you'll lose aggro. Keep enemy health bars up and click any of them that turn yellow and give em a Growl and keep target on them to get some Maul offloaded on em.
Doing this I pull a good 5~6k TPS on single targets, 4~5k on aoe packs. I've never lost a clothie to an aoe pack if they gave me 4 seconds first.
Edited, Sep 11th 2009 12:27pm by Norellicus
Keep in mind that you won't get Mangle until you're 50, but it's like an everlasting ******. It hits hard + it buffs your bleeds and anyone else who puts up bleeds as well as any kitty druids who're using shred while you're tanking.
Number 1 most important thing is to have the Maul Glyph. It hits hard and having it hit two mobs is huge to keep your threat lead on all the mobs on the pull.
Keep in mind that you want to have ~30 rage or more each time you que up Maul or you'll end up rage starved and will lose your lacerate stack.
My pull on AoE trash is Enrage and wait till debuff is about to wear off >Que Maul(and keep it que'd as long as you have more than 30 rage >FFF> Feral Charge > Swipe x2 > Demo Roar > swipe spam >FFF when it's off CD.
Once you hit 50 you'll be weaving in Mangle.
Edited, Sep 11th 2009 12:53pm by Galenmoon
Number 1 most important thing is to have the Maul Glyph. It hits hard and having it hit two mobs is huge to keep your threat lead on all the mobs on the pull.
Keep in mind that you want to have ~30 rage or more each time you que up Maul or you'll end up rage starved and will lose your lacerate stack.
My pull on AoE trash is Enrage and wait till debuff is about to wear off >Que Maul(and keep it que'd as long as you have more than 30 rage >FFF> Feral Charge > Swipe x2 > Demo Roar > swipe spam >FFF when it's off CD.
Once you hit 50 you'll be weaving in Mangle.
Edited, Sep 11th 2009 12:53pm by Galenmoon
slightlysober wrote:
Feral FF is a nice little ranged threat boost as well.
FFF is more threat than you think. clicky
It is one of our higher threat attacks and scales insanely well with AP. Keep it on CD.
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Yeah if I go zombie mode and forget FFF in favor of just spamming mangle/maul/lacerate I drop a good 1~2k on the TPS. FFF is awesome and rage free which is huge.
Overlord Norellicus wrote:
Yeah if I go zombie mode and forget FFF in favor of just spamming mangle/maul/lacerate I drop a good 1~2k on the TPS. FFF is awesome and rage free which is huge.
Ya the free rage part is awesome when you are at low rage or just starting a fight.
I can use FFF on mobs that are far away from me and easily hold healer aggro and maybe even a crappy DPSer.
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Galenmoon wrote:
FFF> Feral Charge > Swipe x2 > Demo Roar > swipe spam >FFF when it's off CD.
Demo roar does no threat? I was tanking that zombie achievement in CoS and couldn't keep aggro off the healer seeing as you can't attack the zombies and demo roar is the only non-damaging aoe thing we have (not counting the 3 min cd one, which only helped once)
I do understand that it reduces incoming damage, but in terms of an omfg-I'm-trying-to-hold-threat-on-these-goddamn-aoe-spamming-dps rotation it shouldn't be used?
Demo Roar puts out a little threat, but not a noticeable amount. At 45, your tanking "rotation" is to keep demo up, use FFF every 6 sec, and spam swipe. Mangle at 50, Lacerate at 66(?).
Also, swipe passes lacerate in single target TPS fairly early. Unbuffed, I have a little over 5k AP and Rawr still ranks Swipe higher than Lacerate for instant TPS. The only reason to use Lacerate is to refresh the DoT. Also, keeping a bleed on the target increases the damage from Maul through Rend and Tear.
Okay, just tweaked gear on Rawr for a few minutes. It looks like the break even point is around 4800 AP. Sooner if you have more ArP or a warrior keeping up Sunders. This is because Lacerate's instant damage is a bleed (bypasses armor), while swipe is a physical attack mitigated by armor.
Also, swipe passes lacerate in single target TPS fairly early. Unbuffed, I have a little over 5k AP and Rawr still ranks Swipe higher than Lacerate for instant TPS. The only reason to use Lacerate is to refresh the DoT. Also, keeping a bleed on the target increases the damage from Maul through Rend and Tear.
Okay, just tweaked gear on Rawr for a few minutes. It looks like the break even point is around 4800 AP. Sooner if you have more ArP or a warrior keeping up Sunders. This is because Lacerate's instant damage is a bleed (bypasses armor), while swipe is a physical attack mitigated by armor.
Scholar
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Once again thanks to everyone who has contributed here -it really has been very helpful as I tried out some of the rotations suggested over the weekend with very impressive results. As a devoted DPS player in the past -tanking is proving to be a new and very rewarding challenge. I am particularly grateful to those that gave me tips relevant to my current level -now 46. Lacerate wont be available to me until mid 60's though?
Correct, you learn Lacerate around level 66.
AstarintheDruid wrote:
Demo Roar puts out a little threat, but not a noticeable amount. At 45, your tanking "rotation" is to keep demo up, use FFF every 6 sec, and spam swipe. Mangle at 50, Lacerate at 66(?).
Also, swipe passes lacerate in single target TPS fairly early. Unbuffed, I have a little over 5k AP and Rawr still ranks Swipe higher than Lacerate for instant TPS. The only reason to use Lacerate is to refresh the DoT. Also, keeping a bleed on the target increases the damage from Maul through Rend and Tear.
Okay, just tweaked gear on Rawr for a few minutes. It looks like the break even point is around 4800 AP. Sooner if you have more ArP or a warrior keeping up Sunders. This is because Lacerate's instant damage is a bleed (bypasses armor), while swipe is a physical attack mitigated by armor.
Also, swipe passes lacerate in single target TPS fairly early. Unbuffed, I have a little over 5k AP and Rawr still ranks Swipe higher than Lacerate for instant TPS. The only reason to use Lacerate is to refresh the DoT. Also, keeping a bleed on the target increases the damage from Maul through Rend and Tear.
Okay, just tweaked gear on Rawr for a few minutes. It looks like the break even point is around 4800 AP. Sooner if you have more ArP or a warrior keeping up Sunders. This is because Lacerate's instant damage is a bleed (bypasses armor), while swipe is a physical attack mitigated by armor.
True but sometimes you have to be careful with this; Maul already hits 2 targets and if whatever I'm tanking spawns an add that someone else needs to grab (ohi Emalon) the last thing they need is more threat stacking on that add before/while they're trying to get it off. Plus with 2t8 keeping bleed up gives more "free rage" via the extra OoC procs.
Hence why I said "the only reason to use Lacerate is to refresh the DoT." Also, putting some initial aggro on a mob that just spawned will keep it from going after a healer right away. Or a melee class that uses AoE as part of their single-target DPS rotation (Fury warriors come to mind, not sure who else).
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