Mage
* Arcane Blast: The buff from using this ability now stacks up to 4 times instead of 3, and each application increases mana cost by 130% instead of 200%.
Arcane
* Missile Barrage: The effect from triggering this talent now removes the mana cost of Arcane Missiles. In addition, the chance for Arcane Blast to trigger this talent is now 8/16/24/32/40%. All other listed spells continue to have a 4/8/12/16/20% chance to trigger it.
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arcane? A respectable PvE spec again after 3.09? Blasphemy!
I know right?! I may go back to my love of Arcane instead of FFB!(though Living Bomb on a crowd = omg)
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that does look pretty sexy, but I still say for raiding pusposes deep fire is the way to go for topping the dps charts.
eh, current theorycrafting has arcane > fireball by a % or two in its current incarnation (from reading the last few pages of the arcane thread on EJ, and this estimate is done considering BiS-ish gear). Obviously there is still discussion on the correct rotation/priority system right now.
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Interesting...I may buy dual-spec and try out Arcane.
On another note, in my "Coming back to raid" topic, it was mentioned that fireball is the top DPS spec for a Mage. So I was going to try and start gearing up accordingly (since I have no Ulduar gear, just near top Naxx stuff), but I was talking with another Mage and he seemed to be pretty against a Deep Fire build. But his argument seemed flawed, so I'll ask here. Will hitting fire and frost with FFB actually change my damage output? Fireball has a longer cast, but it hits harder, crits harder, and still supplies a DoT. The only issue is that it has no frost counterpart. But do bosses actually have any sort of resistance to fire or frost? If so, do I dual-spec into Arcane/FFB for these fights or something? I don't know - I was confused by his logic, and figured that if FB is the top DPS spec, I need to switch over now that I'm back into raiding already and start making a difference in the meters again (although sitting top 8 in Naxx vs all others in Uld gear isn't too terrible).
On another note, in my "Coming back to raid" topic, it was mentioned that fireball is the top DPS spec for a Mage. So I was going to try and start gearing up accordingly (since I have no Ulduar gear, just near top Naxx stuff), but I was talking with another Mage and he seemed to be pretty against a Deep Fire build. But his argument seemed flawed, so I'll ask here. Will hitting fire and frost with FFB actually change my damage output? Fireball has a longer cast, but it hits harder, crits harder, and still supplies a DoT. The only issue is that it has no frost counterpart. But do bosses actually have any sort of resistance to fire or frost? If so, do I dual-spec into Arcane/FFB for these fights or something? I don't know - I was confused by his logic, and figured that if FB is the top DPS spec, I need to switch over now that I'm back into raiding already and start making a difference in the meters again (although sitting top 8 in Naxx vs all others in Uld gear isn't too terrible).
I have yet to see a boss with any sort of resistances against the other magic school. From what I understand, blizz doesn't plan on making any resistance fights.
Preliminary BiS T9 showdown between arcane/fireball and deep arcane:
-- Thank you Sancus on the EJ Forums --
http://elitistjerks.com/f75/t42476-optimal_sets_fb_ffb_item_discussion/p28/#post1354987
Notes:
Conditions
Fight Duration: 300 seconds
Focus Magic: Traded/On Self, 0.373 rate
Latency: 0.01 cast, 0.05GCD, 0.2Channel(standard Rawr settings)
Buffs: Full raid buffs including Fish Feast and Flask, 1x Mana Tide, no usage of Power Infusion or Innervate
Professions: Jewelcrafting and Tailoring
Arcane tops out at around 800dps more than fireball.
BIS Fire T9 20/51/0
Set DPS: 10290.74dps, 10814.43dps as Arcane
Alternative(Armbands of the Ashen Saint) - 10287.16dps
(Glyphs: Molten Armor, Fireball, Living Bomb)
BIS Arcane T9 57/3/11
Set DPS: 11200.47dps
(Glyphs: Arcane Blast, Arcane Missiles, Molten Armor)
Check out the post that was linked for the loot list/gems.
-- Thank you Sancus on the EJ Forums --
http://elitistjerks.com/f75/t42476-optimal_sets_fb_ffb_item_discussion/p28/#post1354987
Notes:
Conditions
Fight Duration: 300 seconds
Focus Magic: Traded/On Self, 0.373 rate
Latency: 0.01 cast, 0.05GCD, 0.2Channel(standard Rawr settings)
Buffs: Full raid buffs including Fish Feast and Flask, 1x Mana Tide, no usage of Power Infusion or Innervate
Professions: Jewelcrafting and Tailoring
Arcane tops out at around 800dps more than fireball.
BIS Fire T9 20/51/0
Set DPS: 10290.74dps, 10814.43dps as Arcane
Alternative(Armbands of the Ashen Saint) - 10287.16dps
(Glyphs: Molten Armor, Fireball, Living Bomb)
BIS Arcane T9 57/3/11
Set DPS: 11200.47dps
(Glyphs: Arcane Blast, Arcane Missiles, Molten Armor)
Check out the post that was linked for the loot list/gems.
What did they fight? 10k DPS is absolutely insane.
SarionBelmont wrote:
What did they fight? 10k DPS is absolutely insane.
They fought the most hated of raid bosses, Math.
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idiggory wrote:
Drinking at home. But I could probably stand to get laid.
What do you mages think about arcane in PvP?
A buddy of mine claimed that this would make arcane mages completely overpowered because a 3-stacked Arcane Blast already critted for 8,000-11,000 on resilience targets. I can't say I've fought many arcane mages (and even as a blood DK I seem to kick the asses of the ones I meet because I can kill them in the 6 seconds my AMS lasts), but the buddy I'm on about does generally know his **** and probably wouldn't make such a claim if it held no truth at all.
A buddy of mine claimed that this would make arcane mages completely overpowered because a 3-stacked Arcane Blast already critted for 8,000-11,000 on resilience targets. I can't say I've fought many arcane mages (and even as a blood DK I seem to kick the asses of the ones I meet because I can kill them in the 6 seconds my AMS lasts), but the buddy I'm on about does generally know his **** and probably wouldn't make such a claim if it held no truth at all.
Horsemouth wrote:
SarionBelmont wrote:
What did they fight? 10k DPS is absolutely insane.
They fought the most hated of raid bosses, Math.
Yeah, it is all theorycrafted, under relatively ideal circumstances (read: Patchwerk fight)
@ Mozard, I don't think that Arcane is really very popular in PvP because of how frail it is, to have the time to get 4 Arcane Blasts off (figure 2-ish seconds a cast) without getting interrupted or locked down would be pretty slim if they are going against a decent team.
In Arena Arcane wouldn't be likely but for BG's, especially AV, Arcane is incredible.
Arcane Blast -> Instant Arcane Blast -> Barrage(if Missiles is not proc'd) will kill 99% of players.
Arcane Blast -> Instant Arcane Blast -> Barrage(if Missiles is not proc'd) will kill 99% of players.
Hey, stupid question, IS this out alrdy? (i dont think so) and wat would be the spec used for these new adjustments?
sushisbloodhoof wrote:
Hey, stupid question, IS this out alrdy? (i dont think so) and wat would be the spec used for these new adjustments?
it is not out yet, only on the PTRs. the normal arcane spec (58/3/11) would still work, depending on where you want to put your points (range vs sotm, etc).
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