Expertise...2 warriors in groupFollow

Quick question,

Im tanking and another warrior is dps'ing. If they have low expertise, does this give mobs extra attacks on me?

Thanks,

I thought that was the case but wasnt sure.

Been running heroics with the same guildies recently and this warrior seems to run in and whirlwind non-stop. Couple of times i've died instantly, combat log doesnt show any big hits, just a lot of hits.

Im in mostly naxx 10/25 gear, so is my healer and this has never happened before.

Hmmm yah, rateups for Geo, I was going to say that but you beat me to it.

Really, if you're getting killed very fast and all that, it's very very unlikely that WW parries are the cause.

One thing that may have changed is that maybe your are running with more AoE and less focus fire. While AoE does more apparent dps, focus fire does more to reduce incoming damage.

If for example your group had a pair of shadowpriests or something very focusfireish any 5-mob pull becomes a 4-mob group in 5 seconds and in 5 more seconds you're only taking damage from 2 mobs remaining. Instead, if you go full AoE you get 5 mobs hitting you until the AoE does enough to drop all of them, even in situations where it amounts the same total damage, it does have a much higher stress on the healer.

Well that's weird.

You know, the parry thing is mostly because if you're doing a boss with strong melee and you have 3 meleers in front of the boss feeding him parries he's going to be getting up-to 40% haste on his attacks.

If I understand it right that means 40% haste that lasts from the moment of the parry to the moment of the next attack. So basicly a parry done right before an attack doesn't do much. Somebody confirm or correct me on this?

The chance that a mob will parry an attack from the front is, I think 5% or 4.5%. On average this means a full bladestorm with 4 mobs will get 1.2 parries. You'd have to be extremely unlucky to get 5 parries on 1 bladestorm. And since you're a warrior and you use thunderclap you already apply a large negative haste effect on the mobs that reduces the hast effect of the possible parries.

So I'm not going to say it's impossible, but it's very very unlikely.

Maybe he doesn't have his weapon skill maxed out? It's too unlucky to get a large number of parries in a single bladestorm.

Test this in CoS

Mark the caster

Charge (on caster) /sec 1
Thunderclap /sec 2
Shield slam(Bind it with shield block)
Shockwave /sec 3
The mobs are stunned for a nice wirlwind

(A notice about shockwave :
The ability hits in front of you in a cone so if mobs are left and right or behind ( which is usually the case) ...you will simply not get them in your aoe cone.Dont be impatient while pressing shockwave. Time it properly. Let all melee mobs come close to you by taking some steps back. Never shockwave on same spot you charged.)

Now if still expertise bothers you and you think thats the problem you can check his performance quite easily through Recount addon as it has information on the warriors

A Glancing Blows
B Parries
C Misses

You can simply click on his wirlwind ability on Recount and see whats the % of Crits/Misses/Parries/Hits
You can also check your stats concerning this matter..maybe his parries + your parries + another melee 's parries do contribute in more inc damage.


I cant guide you about how much % he should have on those stats as FURY since I ve been on the DPS track for almost ..ehm...2 weeks but I as a DPS warrior would try to minimize as much as possible those negative stats.


You can allways take another warrior -PUG him- and see if the other warrior performs in same manner







(The statement write above by me...'oh even with parries you shouldnt die easily' is not absolutelly true , its the half true.
The other half relies on how good is your gear to overcome this problem with parries or something going wrong during the fight.
Eg if you have mostly crafted gear with some blues that means that you got some HP on the scale of (23-25 .000) but other than that your stats should be like 18% dodge , 16% parries , 15% Block . Now what that means is that you dont block ,dont parry and mostly you dont dodge... all damage is incoming if there is a Parry fountain in your group.That means that you die.Is this the case? Can y link your armoury and his armoury?)

' I m mostly with Naxx 10/25 man gear"


Still his comment leaves a wide range of explanations since we got 17 slots for gear and the expression 'mostly' impies a lota things. This expression is not presice. Since no armory link is provided for the DPS and the tank, one can assume anything.

Timing is important....
I remeber when my gear as a tank was semi crap/descent and runned COS to get the epic shield ,i was very picky on whom I would take in my group.If things didnt die fast or ppl died all the time I didnt re-invite them the next day. I had made a list of 20 PUG players that increased the chances of me getting the shield and didnt play if at least 3 of them were not in my group.I beacame a statistic freak looking at armories and checking recount for peoples performance. Whenever I broke the rule i paid the price back then.Later on with good tank gear I didnt care (cared less and less through time) if I would take Green geared ppl doing 1100 DPS not capped with spell power or attack power or expertice or bla bla... , I pulled mobs with my back or do anything hazardous for the group. I knew I could take the beating and do DPS ( 1400-1800) at the same time. The tank has to measure his gear potentials at a given time and the healers potentials and act accordingly.

are you pvp flagged? maybe he's hitting you too.