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#1 Apr 15 2009 at 1:16 AM Rating: Decent
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whats the best spec for DPS in WoW now 3.1 is out?

I am looking at improving my DPS to raid level (min 1600), I have been playing BM since the first day I could spec a tree.

It is patch day for me so I havent had a chance to check out the new trees as I have heard some things have moved / changed.

thanks for your help
#2 Apr 15 2009 at 1:24 AM Rating: Good
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JoeDono wrote:
I am looking at improving my DPS to raid level (min 2600)
You had a typo.
And I've posted the current top dps specs in the 3.1 thread.
#3 Apr 15 2009 at 1:27 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks, I have only been on Heroics and was told 1600 was the minimum you need for raids, I will go and look for the posts you made.
#4REDACTED, Posted: Apr 15 2009 at 3:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'd be ashamed doing 1600 in a heroic.
#5 Apr 17 2009 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd be ashamed doing 1600 in a heroic.


Ashamed isn't even the right word.
My guild, i think, likes me just enough that they would rather use me rather then PuG a DPS. My DPS is so low, I actually won't even look at the meter -.-; It is so low they should just PuG a DPS and deal with can come from PuGing people . . .




I don't get to spend the time I'd like on my hunter. I <3 the guild, but the do heroics way to early so I don't get to get better gear. But someday...
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#6 Apr 17 2009 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
And I've posted the current top dps specs in the 3.1 thread.
True story...
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=5;mid=1239737720133144117;page=1;howmany=50#m1239782820100629452

EDIT: liked to his post rather than the whole thread

Edited, Apr 17th 2009 1:48pm by browningguns
#7 Apr 21 2009 at 10:43 PM Rating: Default
JoeDono wrote:
Thanks, I have only been on Heroics and was told 1600 was the minimum you need for raids, I will go and look for the posts you made.


If you just want to be filler, 1600 is good. If you want to be invited, 2000-2400 is the way to go. Also, go Survival. I'd have to hit you if you went BM in a heroic or raid.
#8 Apr 21 2009 at 11:52 PM Rating: Good
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If you just want to be filler, 1600 is good. If you want to be invited, 2000-2400 is the way to go. Also, go Survival. I'd have to hit you if you went BM in a heroic or raid.


You can't have it both ways. Either 2000-2400 is good enough to get invited or it isn't. If you can top this as BM (and its not difficult) then you don't need to respec SV. The SV spec is higher dps in a raid but it has a harder time soloing than BM. It depends a lot on your playstyle. If all you do is raid then sure go SV otherwise BM is perfectly acceptable.

And a lot comes down to the player. I frequently out-dps SV specced hunters because they are not doing it right.
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#9 Apr 22 2009 at 1:04 AM Rating: Default
Zaikimaliki the Vile wrote:
JoeDono wrote:
Thanks, I have only been on Heroics and was told 1600 was the minimum you need for raids, I will go and look for the posts you made.

If you want to be on people's friends list (top of the invite list), 2000-2400 is the way to go. If you're fine with being a pick-up runner (not considered until they start PuGGing), 1600 is fine. Also, go Survival. I'd have to hit you if you went BM in a heroic or raid.


FTF myself
#10 Apr 22 2009 at 11:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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Zaikimaliki the Vile wrote:
Zaikimaliki the Vile wrote:
JoeDono wrote:
Thanks, I have only been on Heroics and was told 1600 was the minimum you need for raids, I will go and look for the posts you made.

If you want to be on people's friends list (top of the invite list), 2000-2400 is the way to go. If you're fine with being a pick-up runner (not considered until they start PuGGing), 1600 is fine. Also, go Survival. I'd have to hit you if you went BM in a heroic or raid.


FTF myself


Also note that if you're generally a nice guy, you will make friends and therefore get invites. If you're going to be a complete douchebag, you need much higher DPS.
#11 Apr 24 2009 at 7:27 AM Rating: Decent
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If you just want to be filler, 1600 is good. If you want to be invited, 2000-2400 is the way to go. Also, go Survival. I'd have to hit you if you went BM in a heroic or raid.


*vent on*

Hrrrm... if you don't want my, now consistent, 3200-3700 on a raid, feel free to hit me... then "invite" your 2000 - 2400's all ya want.

:)

*vent off*

Truthfully... some hunters are on average better than others, because they pay attention to their own performance and know what to do in order to raid (strategies for specific bosses, etc.). A cookie-cutter build isn't always the best build, as it all ties back to the "computard" that pushes the buttons for the "huntard" in your group.

I find myself on a regular "invite list" to GREAT raid groups simply because I know the fights, I know my spec, and I'm consistently high in DPS output. Plus, I'm friendly and easy to get along with! I'll admit to picking up a wolf for the extra dps, as I should do all I'm capable of in my spec, but... ignoring BM's just because of their spec will cause you to miss out on quite a few quality players. :)

Edited, Apr 24th 2009 11:39am by Sketso
#12 Apr 24 2009 at 8:06 AM Rating: Decent
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I would never not invite someone to a naxx run just because they were BM. BM does enough damage for naxx, maybe the person likes soloing as BM and doesn't want to respec all the time. Now with 3.1 this isn't really a good excuse but maybe they can't afford $1000 (although that's weird), perhaps they just prefer BM. That's all fine.

For Ulduar I would never invite a BM hunter. The reason is not solely due to the dps. Someone being BM indicates that they are not focused enough on their performance to min/max. This will generally imply that they won't have the focus and the drive to succeed that someone who is min/maxed will. In Ulduar where you have to be paying attention, and where dps is actually needed it becomes fairly important that a person has both high dps, as well as a very alert and aggressive playstyle.

Now, I might reconsider this stance if I personally knew the person and I knew they were a good player. But at that point I would also likely ask them to respec SV, just because it will be higher dps.

Side note: Did you find as BM your dps went up with 3.1? By how much? How high are you getting a patch kill assuming a ret pally is there putting wisdom on the boss and full buffs.

Edited, Apr 24th 2009 11:09am by Xsarus
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#13 Apr 24 2009 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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Xsarus wrote:
maybe the person likes soloing as BM and doesn't want to respec all the time. Now with 3.1 this isn't really a good excuse but maybe they can't afford $1000 (although that's weird)


Personally, I don't have a TON of time to spend farming- I usually only do dailies to increase my rep. I can't really remember a time when I have had over 600g actually, it seems like whenever I get a little saved I win a new shiny that needs gems or enchants....

Xsarus wrote:
For Ulduar I would never invite a BM hunter. The reason is not solely due to the dps. Someone being BM indicates that they are not focused enough on their performance to min/max. This will generally imply that they won't have the focus and the drive to succeed that someone who is min/maxed will. In Ulduar where you have to be paying attention, and where dps is actually needed it becomes fairly important that a person has both high dps, as well as a very alert and aggressive playstyle.


I am not sure about this statement, while it may seem generally true it is not always the case. Like you have said Xsar some people may like the BM playstyle. It is very efficient for soloing and does decent DPS for pugs. I would not say that the player isn't focused or driven- I would say to look at his gear. If they seem to have a good handle on their gems and enchants, as well as know what the hit cap is... chances are they are a good hunter that just preferrs that build and the options for "exotic pets". Unless you are looking at 25Uld, they should still be able to contribute and pull their wieght on any other run.

Xsarus wrote:
Side note: Did you find as BM your dps went up with 3.1? By how much? How high are you getting a patch kill assuming a ret pally is there putting wisdom on the boss and full buffs.


I also would like to know the answers to this question.....
#14 Apr 24 2009 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
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MossyOakCamo wrote:
Xsarus wrote:
For Ulduar I would never invite a BM hunter. The reason is not solely due to the dps. Someone being BM indicates that they are not focused enough on their performance to min/max. This will generally imply that they won't have the focus and the drive to succeed that someone who is min/maxed will. In Ulduar where you have to be paying attention, and where dps is actually needed it becomes fairly important that a person has both high dps, as well as a very alert and aggressive playstyle.


I am not sure about this statement, while it may seem generally true it is not always the case. Like you have said Xsar some people may like the BM playstyle. It is very efficient for soloing and does decent DPS for pugs. I would not say that the player isn't focused or driven- I would say to look at his gear. If they seem to have a good handle on their gems and enchants, as well as know what the hit cap is... chances are they are a good hunter that just preferrs that build and the options for "exotic pets". Unless you are looking at 25Uld, they should still be able to contribute and pull their wieght on any other run.
1) A hunter that respecs from BM to SV will do better dps assuming they are competent. If they aren't competent I don't want them anyway.

2) For the second part I said that it was a general sign of an unwillingness to min/max. Sure there will be competent focused BM hunters, but If I'm trying to fill a spot with someone I don't know, I'm not going to take the chance. I wasn't speaking in absolutes.

Edited, Apr 24th 2009 9:47pm by Xsarus
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