From what I can tell this will be my PvE spec when the servers go up later today.
Any thoughts or dissension? To me it doesn't seem like there are any hard choices a Holy Pally has to make here.
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Mine is similar ( or will be). I notice a few things here and there that I would change in your spec.
Let's start with Holy :
You put one point in Seals of the Pure. That one point doesn't do much good there, and would be better spent on the talent right next door, in which you only have 4.
You took Improved Blessing of Wisdom. If you are having mana problems, then I suppose it's fine, but I think the points would be better spent in Enlightened Judgements. The extra range is so amazingly useful for getting that nice haste buff from judging. Kings gives you more overall than wisdom does, so kings is the way to go when you bless yourself. If you took it because another pally in your group will be doing Kings, then it's nice, and I would take points out of Improved Concentration Aura for Enlightened Judgements.
OK, now Ret:
I prefer Improved Judgements over Might. In a raid, a warrior shout will be good for the attack power buff. And kings is still better to give if there isn't anyway, for the most part. Unless, of course, You have that second pally doing kings and no warrior around. You could even free up 2 points in Holy for Pursuit of Justice. Kind of handy, but more of a luxury than anything.
Overall, your spec looks good. I don't know your raid composition, so the items I outlined above may well be based on that. The only thing I would strongly suggest changing is moving that point in Seals of the Pure over to Spiritual Focus.
Let's start with Holy :
You put one point in Seals of the Pure. That one point doesn't do much good there, and would be better spent on the talent right next door, in which you only have 4.
You took Improved Blessing of Wisdom. If you are having mana problems, then I suppose it's fine, but I think the points would be better spent in Enlightened Judgements. The extra range is so amazingly useful for getting that nice haste buff from judging. Kings gives you more overall than wisdom does, so kings is the way to go when you bless yourself. If you took it because another pally in your group will be doing Kings, then it's nice, and I would take points out of Improved Concentration Aura for Enlightened Judgements.
OK, now Ret:
I prefer Improved Judgements over Might. In a raid, a warrior shout will be good for the attack power buff. And kings is still better to give if there isn't anyway, for the most part. Unless, of course, You have that second pally doing kings and no warrior around. You could even free up 2 points in Holy for Pursuit of Justice. Kind of handy, but more of a luxury than anything.
Overall, your spec looks good. I don't know your raid composition, so the items I outlined above may well be based on that. The only thing I would strongly suggest changing is moving that point in Seals of the Pure over to Spiritual Focus.
i'm not sure. i'm actually thinking to take the new divinity talent in Prot. 5% increased healing is nice. my spec with that would be either this or this.
I'm leaning more towards the first one with a full 5% extra healing. 3% more healing will be more overall healing than 3% extra crit in ret since heals only crit at 150%. however, i kinda like the small amount of mana return that 3% more crit would give. It's really a toss up for me. I'll probably go with the first spec there and if i find i'm really having a hard time with mana i'll switch to the second. or if silence and interrupts are a major problem moving into ulduar maybe i'll even go with a spec more similar to what you linked. although i'd still put the 5 points in spiritual focus rather than one in Seals of the Pure....
I'm leaning more towards the first one with a full 5% extra healing. 3% more healing will be more overall healing than 3% extra crit in ret since heals only crit at 150%. however, i kinda like the small amount of mana return that 3% more crit would give. It's really a toss up for me. I'll probably go with the first spec there and if i find i'm really having a hard time with mana i'll switch to the second. or if silence and interrupts are a major problem moving into ulduar maybe i'll even go with a spec more similar to what you linked. although i'd still put the 5 points in spiritual focus rather than one in Seals of the Pure....
I can see Improved Concentration Aura being useful now, things like the 8 second interrupt from Ignis could be a killer without it.
I had been considering Divine Guardian but I cant justify the 10 wasted points to get to it. And I cant decide between the +healing or +crit.
I had been considering Divine Guardian but I cant justify the 10 wasted points to get to it. And I cant decide between the +healing or +crit.
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I personally like the +crit over the plus healing. I over heal for a ton right now, so I don't see the need for 5% more. However, I'll have to see how I fare in Ulduar. Maybe that extra 5% will be necessary. Although with a pally tank who grabs the talent( and they should) you actually get 10% more healing to that target, as long as the talent stacks like that. I'll have to see some numbers to determine what gives more healing-3% crit or 5% (sometimes 10%)
So far after much reading and dizziness I'm going to start with a 51/2/18 build see how that works, passing over the Imp Bow due to the Kings comment above. Hadn't thought of that.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sxAzxh0sVu0tgdbZVcbx0h
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sxAzxh0sVu0tgdbZVcbx0h
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That's a nice build Garly. Improvred Lay on Hands is nice to have to, but I don't find I even use it much anymore.
As far as Kings-10% more intellect means more mana, spellpower, and crit. I used Wisdom for a while until one day I took a serious look at it and started blessing Kings instead. I had also reached a point where I had enough mana to be comfortable giving up wisdom. I can't recall how much, and it wasn't based on anything other than just my own sense of security.
As far as Kings-10% more intellect means more mana, spellpower, and crit. I used Wisdom for a while until one day I took a serious look at it and started blessing Kings instead. I had also reached a point where I had enough mana to be comfortable giving up wisdom. I can't recall how much, and it wasn't based on anything other than just my own sense of security.
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Thanks for all the replies. Your responses have help me solidify my spec. I am going with this.
I think that clarifying my raid comp is a good idea, which I should have done previously. I'm trying to min/max for a 25-man raid and we have lots of pallies. It wouldn't be uncommon to see 3 Holy, 1 Prot, and 1 Ret. For this reason, I'm not taking imp. wis, I know the other Holy Pallies have it covered. But I am taking imp. might so that I can bring something else to the buff table than just a standard Kings. It wouldn't be uncommon to have no one else specced into it.
Garly, I think your spec looks is spot on and I'm think I'm going to run with the same. Thanks for the advice.
Now for pvp . . . .
I think that clarifying my raid comp is a good idea, which I should have done previously. I'm trying to min/max for a 25-man raid and we have lots of pallies. It wouldn't be uncommon to see 3 Holy, 1 Prot, and 1 Ret. For this reason, I'm not taking imp. wis, I know the other Holy Pallies have it covered. But I am taking imp. might so that I can bring something else to the buff table than just a standard Kings. It wouldn't be uncommon to have no one else specced into it.
Garly, I think your spec looks is spot on and I'm think I'm going to run with the same. Thanks for the advice.
Now for pvp . . . .
I will be sticking with This as I feel comfortable with it, love the extra speed from pursuit of justice, have other pallies in the raid who will probably fully max out imp concentration aura so this may be moved at some point before I get home from work tonight. My crit at the moment is around 42% raid buffed so I crit a lot and therefore don't "need" the extra 5% healing from the prot tree as it stands but we shall see, all could change.....that 5% could make a difference in the end.
Edited, Apr 15th 2009 5:19am by KevMc
Edited, Apr 15th 2009 5:19am by KevMc
My first effort in 3.1. is this
For major glyphs, I'm keeping Seal of Wisdom, Holy Light, and Flash of Light. Glyph of Beacon of Light really seems like it's only a convenience boost at the moment. It might save a little on mana as well, but I don't think those savings outweigh the previous top 3. Does anyone have a better rationale?
- 51/2/18
For major glyphs, I'm keeping Seal of Wisdom, Holy Light, and Flash of Light. Glyph of Beacon of Light really seems like it's only a convenience boost at the moment. It might save a little on mana as well, but I don't think those savings outweigh the previous top 3. Does anyone have a better rationale?
You don't need Imp Conc Aura for raiding, biggest exception perhaps being Ignis when he does the burst.
With the way things are right now I would definitely go for 51/5/15, 51/0/18 with 2 points to float. I haven't really had a chance to test them out raiding (went 51/20/0 to start).
With the way things are right now I would definitely go for 51/5/15, 51/0/18 with 2 points to float. I haven't really had a chance to test them out raiding (went 51/20/0 to start).
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