I'm a level 73 rogue and the thought of Hemo has always intrigued me. I'm just wondering if it's a viable spec for anything, if so what, and what a talent build for Hemo would look like.
I've tried Mutilate and I'm currently Combat Swords and I'm just looking for a bit of a change up.
Hemo?Follow
31/0/40 is good for PvP, it works wonderful in BG's, not really sure about arena yet. It's better then mutilate in BG's, that's for sure, since they nerfed mutilate down to 20%. Use the hemo glyph, as well.
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You stunlock/hemo spam warlocks/priests/non bear druids/Rogues. Garrote/hemo spam mages. Use Crippling/Deadly
For hunters/shamans/paladins/warriors/DK's, open with premed, garrote, hemo once, kidney shot, spam shiv to 5 points, then rupture. You'll get 5 points from shiv very quickly since if you crit with it you get 2 combo points back. Then run away, or vanish, or something. You'll do somewhere along the lines of 1800/tick with all your bleeds and poisons + the hemo debuff up. It really works, but I have yet to try it out in arena.
I personally feel it's better for Rogues that don't have a 350+ damage weapon in BG's then mutilate is.
Make sure you use a sword mainhand, doesn't really matter what you use offhand. Try questing in icecrown when you get 77 and get revered with Ebon Blade, you can get a pretty nice sword from them. 3k hemo crit's is what i'm seeing on clothies.
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I leveled from 70-80 on 31/0/40 as well (Start in assassination for overkill, then work your way down the sub tree). You can typically kill a single mob in 4-6 seconds.
Edited, Feb 21st 2009 4:53am by Zafire
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You stunlock/hemo spam warlocks/priests/non bear druids/Rogues. Garrote/hemo spam mages. Use Crippling/Deadly
For hunters/shamans/paladins/warriors/DK's, open with premed, garrote, hemo once, kidney shot, spam shiv to 5 points, then rupture. You'll get 5 points from shiv very quickly since if you crit with it you get 2 combo points back. Then run away, or vanish, or something. You'll do somewhere along the lines of 1800/tick with all your bleeds and poisons + the hemo debuff up. It really works, but I have yet to try it out in arena.
I personally feel it's better for Rogues that don't have a 350+ damage weapon in BG's then mutilate is.
Make sure you use a sword mainhand, doesn't really matter what you use offhand. Try questing in icecrown when you get 77 and get revered with Ebon Blade, you can get a pretty nice sword from them. 3k hemo crit's is what i'm seeing on clothies.
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I leveled from 70-80 on 31/0/40 as well (Start in assassination for overkill, then work your way down the sub tree). You can typically kill a single mob in 4-6 seconds.
Edited, Feb 21st 2009 4:53am by Zafire
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Thanks for the info, I'll give it a try and I'm hoping for the best. Can't wait for 80
Zafire's famous fail spec. Satant I would not listen to anything this guy has to say.
3k hemo crits? I'm still getting 5-6k mutilate (dual, obvi) crits on clothies.
3k hemo crits? I'm still getting 5-6k mutilate (dual, obvi) crits on clothies.
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3k hemo crits? I'm still getting 5-6k mutilate (dual, obvi) crits on clothies.
And what kind of dagger do you have? Sinister Revenge? I have Fleshshaper and the only time i'm hitting for 3k per hand is on warlocks with no resilience. That's with 3400 AP (In arena with my paladin partner).
Hemo is 25 energy under overkill and mutilate is 50 energy under overkill. two 3k hemo's is equivilent to your wonderful mutilate. I'm still using a crapply blue sword too.
The purpose of 31/0/40 is because it has the best bleed damage. I bring DK's from 24000 to 8k hp from one kidney shot. Put on all the DoT's, vanish, and watch their HP tumble. Then it's just a simple matter of opening back up on them to finish them off.
He asked what a good spec for hemo is, so I told him. It's better for BG's if you don't have a 350+ damage dagger. Besides, i'm sure he'll like it once he trys it out.
Edited, Feb 21st 2009 2:36pm by Zafire
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3k hemo crits
ftfy.
Hemo is currently a pretty weak pvp and pve spec, and mut is getting a large buff in 3.1. Fist/dagger 15/51/5 provides more raidwide dps, but is lower solo. For pvp, go 41/5/25 or 15/51/5 (preferably the former).
Unfortunately, ThomasMagnum is entirely correct about Zafire's infamous Seal Fate/Premed (or at 80, ************************* It's pointless to go 31 points in assass when you don't pick up mut, and you'd be better off if you dislike daggers going 15/51/5.
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Posted: Mar 08 2009 at 6:26 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) He asked what a good hemo spec was, I told him. It's probably the most viable spec for hemo as it stands. It works really good leveling (Can take mobs out during a cheap shot), and it works well in BG's. He didn't say "I want to be the most successful rogue in the world" He said hemo interests him, and if it's good for anything. I'm answering the OP's post. If he doesn't like it he can switch to something else.
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I'm just wondering if it's a viable spec for anything, if so what, and what a talent build for Hemo would look like.
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He asked what a good hemo spec was, I told him.
Overkill<Shadowstep for most cases, and taking 30 energy hemos all the time is better than 25 energy hemos for 6 sec after stealth breaks.
gg?
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It works really good leveling (Can take mobs out during a cheap shot),
I hate it when people say this. Maybe you kill things during you Cheap Shot, but I guarantee you that your not doing it consistently as you level. If you were in full 7.5 with two really nice weapons, then, I would possibly believe you.
I would love someone to post a video, without editing, that they are out questing and constantly dropping people in the duration of a Cheap Shot. In this video I would like to see their gear as well.
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Overkill<Shadowstep for most cases, and taking 30 energy hemos all the time is better than 25 energy hemos for 6 sec after stealth breaks.
gg?
gg?
If you spec that far down into the sub tree..you lose out cold Vile Poisons (Envenom DoT is very important in this spec for PVP, as is the 30% dispel), Cold Blood (Control of burst damage, that you can use twice if needed with Prep), And the utility talents that come with them (Fleet footed, 15% movement speed isn't possible with gear, plus you get increased stealth movement speed.) Also Seal Fate is probably one of the most defining talents in the assassination tree, and if you crit with a 25 energy hemo it's an extra combo point.
You fail to grasp that overkill makes Garrote 20 energy and Cheap Shot 30 energy. You basically have infinite energy for 6 seconds.
It's the best, and most effective burst/DoT build for hemo there is. It's quite possible to evis twice with 4-5~ combo points before a cheap shot is over.
The only reason I say mutilate is better then 31/0/40 (For PVP) is because Mutilate is two attacks in one GCD, and can offer more combo points in one GCD. That's it.
It really is a wonderful grinding/BG spec.
I find the only class I can't kill is Paladins with 31/0/40, and bear druids, obviously. DK's, hunters, and warriors, I find easier, because of the massive boost to bleed/poison damage.
Edited, Mar 10th 2009 1:20am by Zafire
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Hemo is comparatively weak compared to the alternatives as far as I've seen any analysis and as far as I've seen from my own experimentation.
If you have proof via unedited video, WWS, or even recount I'm sure we'd all love to see it. I don't doubt that you believe your statements to be fact. I'm only suggesting you provide substantive evidence of your claims.
Until you have something other than your feelings or impressions to go on, you have to understand that the forum will treat your build with a skeptical view.
If you have proof via unedited video, WWS, or even recount I'm sure we'd all love to see it. I don't doubt that you believe your statements to be fact. I'm only suggesting you provide substantive evidence of your claims.
Until you have something other than your feelings or impressions to go on, you have to understand that the forum will treat your build with a skeptical view.
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Hemo is comparatively weak compared to the alternatives as far as I've seen any analysis and as far as I've seen from my own experimentation.
If you have proof via unedited video, WWS, or even recount I'm sure we'd all love to see it. I don't doubt that you believe your statements to be fact. I'm only suggesting you provide substantive evidence of your claims.
Until you have something other than your feelings or impressions to go on, you have to understand that the forum will treat your build with a skeptical view.
If you have proof via unedited video, WWS, or even recount I'm sure we'd all love to see it. I don't doubt that you believe your statements to be fact. I'm only suggesting you provide substantive evidence of your claims.
Until you have something other than your feelings or impressions to go on, you have to understand that the forum will treat your build with a skeptical view.
Exactly. There are cookie cutter builds for a reason, and this sentiment has been substantiated over and over. Sorry Zaph, your build is not a viable spec for any occasion. Yes, you can create some decent bleed dmg, but that dmg is overshadowed by the loss of dmg you get from the other main pvp builds. You've been told this many, many, many times, and it's an annoyance when you propagate your spec to unknowing rogues that might follow your advice.
I'd happily post a video of me on 31/0/40 with my craptastic ebon hold blue sword. What's a good site that I can upload a fraps video for free?
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I use YouTube but I'm sure there are better.
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I use YouTube but I'm sure there are better.
lol, youtube doesn't like my fraps videos for some reason..It keeps saying "Incorrect video format" whenever I upload them. Which it's not, but you know.
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you could try Vimeo, Blip TV, PawnorDie....
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