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I fully expect you to get the proper reply from Aethien, but I will try with my limited knowledge to give some help.

First of Pet. As Survival you want something that is going to last and for the stats at the moment its a Raptor. Mine rarely dies tbh in any normal or Heroic raid.

Secondly. Glyphs, My majors are Steady Shot, serpent sting and Hunters mark for sure on mine, others may disagree but that is their choice lol (My minors are Feign Death, revive pet and mend pet). I have no trap glyphs because despite trying them they dont appear to make much difference to overall trap damage, so I would rather focus on my DPS output in that case

Thirdly, Shot rotation should allow for proc of Lock n load, so I roll with -

Hunters Mark
Serpent sting
Explosive sh*t
Aimed shot
Steady shot
steady shot
Steady shot
Serpent sting
Explosive shot
aimed shot.

The gap between Explosive means if Lock n Load does Proc its cooled down and ready to go, spam Explosive and Steady shot when it does proc, the steady allows the full effect of Explosive to do its damage.

Lastly, the agility question, Aethien over to you, you can check my spec but its far from perfect in the eyes of my betters no doubt but here it is, talent tree n all lol

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Moonglade&n=Morg%C3%A1nne

I hope that made sense and helps somehow, I average 3k DPS and dont let the guild down at the moment. I am short on a couple fo items and a trinket etc but its a solid build and also good for soloing.

Happy hunting and welcome back to the fold lol

Edited, Feb 15th 2009 10:25am by Thoromin

1) Any amount, SV just tops Dps because of Explosive shot not because of amazing agility (though it rocks to have it) You need to have a high crit % more than high agility to be honest as half your talent tree procs on crits and works with crits.


2) No spamming.
Explosive shot > 3 shots and repeat.
Priority for those 3 shots: Kill Shot (if usable) > Serpent Sting (to keep it up) > Aimed Shot (if you have a pally judging wisdom) > Steady Shot.
When Lock and Load procs shoot explosive > wait until 0.5 seconds after the GCD, shoot explosive, wait, explosive.
If you're having trouble, leave out aimed shots. 10 second cooldown shot makes the rotation feel very clunky.

edit 2: there's also no short cut macro that can do any reasonable form of a shot rotation for you.
They're all plagued by latency, need to be spammed 382943 times a second to work etc.

3) Steady, Serpent, Imp. AotH. for minors get FD and then close your eyes and pick two at random, they're all equally sh*t.
I personally use Scare beast and mend pet for the minimal PvP usage and the convenience of being able to get a pet to full happiness right after it dies.
And yes you glyph a talent you only have 1/5, a filler shot and a DoT that is only ~5% or so of your total damage, welcome to hunter glyphs.

4) Yes it matters and get a Wasp if you don't have Fearie Fire, else get a moth or if you don't have it a raptor or cat.
Lvl 80 is most important though, a pet that isn't level 80 is more or less worthless as it'll do nothing but miss and get dodged.
Oh, and kitty druids love cats as those keep a bleed up so they don't have to waste energy on putting it up.

A few other things:
Spec 1/18/52 (take points out of sniper training and imp. stings to fill out on hit if you need it), use elixir of agi and int and not a flask.

Misdirecting stuff with Explosive shot is a bad idea.
Explosive shoots for 0 and applies a DoT that ticks at 0, 1 and 2 seconds.
So your MD will use a 0 damage shot, 1 tick and 1 autoshot and then you get 2 explosive ticks that cause more threat than what you MD'd.
Trust me, Patchwerk hits like a truck on Mail.

Volley any group with 3+ mobs, shoot explosive shots between volley's if you feel like going through extra trouble.

Lock and Load stuff:
LnL has a hidden 30 second cooldown, frost trap ignores that cooldown.
So on Anub, Gluth, Maexxna, Noth and whatever else frost trap the adds to get ~1 PPM from serpent stings and 2 per minute from traps.
Download NeedToKnow to warn you for LnL procs, trap stuff whenever it's in your face to proc LnL more often.

Sniper training:
It's great if you can stand 30+ yards from your target but only do so when you are within 30 yards of the melee as nearly all aura's and buffs have a 30yd range.

Gearstuff: Armor Pen is crap, Haste doesn't do much either. Hit, Agility and crit is where it's at.
Tier pieces are nice, but both 2 and 4pc are lackluster at best for SV.
(4 piece is crap for any spec no matter what)

And a last note: Pray to god for a retadin/protadin.
Seriously, on average during a fight you will gain ~20 - 30.000 mana from JoW.


Edit:
If you have no haste whatsoever, take 1 point out of sniper training/imp stings to put into Imp. Aspect of the Hawk.
If you have the time, run to a training dummy and try out the SV shot rotation as it's not as clean and natural as a DK rotation, you'll need to get used to it.

A last thing, fill a 24(28) slot quiver with arrows/bullet and add a few stacks.
Naxx clear takes more than 1 full quiver/pouch worth of ammo.
And if it's possible I'm sure you'd like to avoid looking like a total nub meleeing KT.

Edited, Feb 15th 2009 6:15pm by Aethien

Now get me a WWS so I can see what you did wrong

I thank you as well Aethien.

Again you have given me some information as well. Especially the business using Explosive Shot on a MD.

So the T7 four piece bonus's are not that worth while is the Gist of your post I take it. I have other Purple gear in the bank, perhaps I should try out that gear, it includes chest and legs. Hmmmm will try it on tonights Farmers run of Naxx.

Aethien, do you trap much? I Find for AOE groups of trash that an immolate always goes down well but I rarely see much call for other traps all that often.

OOOOH some good news. It's probably old hat to most guilds but the guys and girls finally downed Maly 10 man on Sunday. DK to the rescue with the whole Spark thing.

Anyways, I shall also look at pets as well. Wasps are annoying but I do value your opinion so shall give it a shot. Sprry Grethix (Raptor) time to stable your ***.

For pets, grab any random one you don't care about and then run DtK heroic.
Tame one of the present raptors for a simple and good lvl 80 dps pet.
(the go tame a fancy Moth and/or Wasp and level them to 80 through heroics)

Spamming explosive shots would result in clipping the 3rd tick, so that's pretty bad for your dps.
Shoot them 0.5 seconds after the last one to guarantee all 3 ticks hitting.

Hit food, hit elixir, dual wielding Fang of Truth with 2x Titanium Weapon Chain and Icewalker on boots is already 221 hit.
That leaves a gap of 42 you need to make up in other gear, not very hard.

Edited, Feb 16th 2009 3:09pm by Aethien

Sons of Hodir revered daggers are better dps wise, but not something you'l have within 2 days of dinging 80 unless you're lying on a mountain of gold.

I think a big part of me only pulling 2100-2300 dps last night was the fact that when lock and load procced I would go pew pew pew and spam it thus overwriting the dot damage. Going to avoid that, also trying to pick up a Heroic DK for the raptor.

I am lucky in that I have done so many favours for people as a healer that I can cash in browny points and pretty much get my toon free 10 man naxx runs regardless of gear.

Actually since he is alliance and will most likely have at least one draenei with him he can go with 7% hit instead of 8%. 230 hit rating iirc.

His pet will also get the buff as it's an aura that affects everyone in the party, thus hit capping it as well. As alliance even in 10 man raiding having a draenei is pretty much a given.

You have no Idea how much I hate your damn alt hunter right now.

The 2 pc bonus makes any piece of Valorous gear best in slot. If you already have two then some of them aren't rated best in slot any more. This is off the spreadsheet btw. So it's not useless. My pet usually pulls around 700 dps, so 5% of that is 35 dps. How does that compare to other 2 piece set bonuses? I'd have to agree that it's boring. The 4 pc is crap.

Edited, Feb 18th 2009 11:56am by Xsarus

After the trinket you mean right?

The trinket should be your priority indeed, unless you already have Grimm Toll and Darkmoon Card: Greatness, but I'm assuming you don't :P

I dont see any problems, you are right about where I am dps wise for each fight so I would assusme you are using the right rotations and whatnot.