Slight break Follow

I've done just about everything I can so far. 6 level 60s of different roles. Others are 50. Both gathering maxed fishing almost crafting the same. I'm burnt out.

I think I need some sleep lol

Oh well. How's everyone else doing?

I unsubbed late last month from XIV to go back to XI. Trying to finish up all the expansions while gearing up my BST some more and so far it's been a fun experience.

I had told myself after the launch of Heavensward, if nothing changes from launch of the xpac to about 6 months down the road, I'd probably bail on XIV. So far, it's just been more of the same with re-skins just about everywhere. I guess I'm just not cut out for this get gear, watch it be obsolete 3 months later and repeat. Much like Thayos, I'll be keeping tabs on the game, but something drastic needs to change. Adding pretty clothes with a couple dungeons/primals/1 end game event every cycle has become beyond old and imo, needs to change significantly.

After seeing the relic 3.15 patch notes....ya...no thank you.

I'm gone from XIV til something significant hits. The Relic grind doesn't interest me at all.

Honestly, the only thing that I felt made XI less casual in my eyes were the fact that actually doing an event in XI or running somewhere etc took time. The grind was not what made it less casual. The grind in XIV is just as bad, honestly for me even FAR worse because whilst in XI grinding meant doing something once or twice a week in XIV all I did was do the same thing over and over and over and over again. Variety was not there and instead of an event taking 2.5h, I did whatever I did 5 times over. I mean I end up doing one thing more times in a week in XIV than in several months in XI.

At the same time in XI the excitement was often still there every time I did something because there was a chance I get the drop I want this time. So I'd do several different events/activies mostly with a chance at having that day be the day when I got lucky. At the same time in XIV I could never get lucky and not have to do it because all I was grinding for was tomes. So not only was I forced to do the same short event over and over and over and over, I actually often weren't even excited because there was no drop I could get there, just more tomes.

If we are talking about raids, I think its a good idea to have because a lot of people like it, but for me doing the same thing 100 times to learn it is not fun. I definetly preferred having fights be easier with more room for reactive play with limits or costs to doing the fight so I couldn't spam it over and over.

I mean I was honestly pretty casual in both games although I was a bit more "hardcore" in XI, but despite that I never felt I didn't have anything to do or that I was bored of all the content the game had to offer whilst being very casual in XIV I was bored of everything I could do after the first month. Now some might say yeah well in XIV you can catch up much faster, but the thing is that I never felt I was behind in XI simply because even if I had been gone for a year I could come back and some of my gear was still relevant, some could be bought off AH to get up to speed, there were probably some NM I could camp on my own for a few pieces and at the same time for a lot of content I was not excluded regardless of my gear and there were always a lot of LSs that still did the content I needed to get done.

I think overall the idea of catering to casuals is a good thing, but to me there are many ways of doing it because to me that means making sure even if you only have a limited playtime you can have fun, but grinding short instances and having very little variety is not fun after the first playthrough. Now I understand if some people like Thayos does not mind the vertical progression, the problem to me is that a vertical progression system is just extremely inefficient if you look at development, there is no way developers can keep up and you end up with a situation like this very easily. So whilst it might not be bad per se, it creates issues that makes the game harder to keep interesting. Of course this is not the one and only thing that matters, but I definitely think it has a big role.

In the end I think SE can still turn it around in the sense that those who enjoy/ed it will come back if they just start making some changes instead of sticking to the same thing they have so far. For me though it is just too far away from what I want and think is good design for a game to stay healthy and fun for a long time. I wish they had kept up the support for XI, not gone to 99 and added real expansions when it wasn't too late. I feel like they decided the fate of XI dying on their own when they could have had it live on in much better shape if they wanted to.

This.

I've said it many times, and I'll say it again... FFXIV is not a hardcore game. The vast majority of the game is designed with casual gamers in mind, all the way down from the extremely balanced classes to the bite-sized instanced dungeons and easy 24-man raids. Even the progression system is tuned for casual play -- and the fact it's easy to take a 6-month break, return and be caught up in a month is for casual gamers, too.

Unfortunately, the only endgame that requires any real work is way too hard to be taken on casually -- endgame in this game virtually requires a static to have any kind of efficient progress. So currently, there's no real pinnacle for most of the game's players, which is why you see people get bored and leave.

Diadem could have fixed this -- for now, at least. With some smarter design choices, Diadem could have been made to be a like a true endgame system, much like Sky or Dynamis were in FFXI. Instead, SE just created this free-for-all loot pinata with no difficulty, secrets, mechanics, etc. It's just... blah. Total junk content.

I've really enjoyed this game up until now. And, honestly, I still "enjoy" the game. I like running dungeons and the 24-man raid, and I do enjoy the game's storyline. Eorzea is beautifully crafted, the art style is great, I love the music, and the battle system is simple and fun. I really enjoy the game's storyline, so even if I unsub I'd return periodically to get caught up in my cutscenes, and I'd level/gear up a bit along the way.

Until the nature of endgame changes to reflect the rest of the game, though, then I really have no reason to spend so much time grinding. And completing storyline doesn't create a whole lot of incentive for grinding content.

P.S. And Hio, I STILL don't understand why you still play this game! But it's by my same logic that I'm thinking of stepping away.


Edited, Dec 19th 2015 11:42am by Thayos

The difference is IF I unsub, I'm not going to pretend like I know what I'm talking about (especially after many months of inactivity).

Also, it wouldn't be too hard for SE to make me happy with this game. Some revisions to the Diadem would do the trick. The rest of it, I'm happy with. Like I said above, I just need some kind of realistic endgame to justify the grind.

For you though, Filth, this game will likely never be enjoyable.

Edited, Dec 20th 2015 4:18pm by Thayos

I know what you are saying about Filth but I hate to say it but you could not sub for a year and still know what you are talking about because nothing has changed since the beginning of end game.

Daidem is garbage. It is hunts you take a airship too....

Long grindy quest chains like this aren't bad alongside other steady content. Something you do during downtime.

But when it's just this, nah... I'll find something better to do.

LOL, what? The only reason I'd try a new supermarket is if it's more convenient to do so. Also, I don't use lists. And I typically only buy very basic items for nutritious meals that can be made in a hurry. And most of the time, I just use those little hand-held baskets you grab on the way in.

But what does this have to do with anything, other than to show how wrong you are... again?



But not everyone is on board with what you're saying.

I enjoy the vast majority of FFXIV. I know others who post here do, too. My only complaint is that there's not an endgame system that fits my play style. I don't find the game boring -- that is your word, not mine -- but right now, there's just not any real reason for me to play.

Filth, the key difference between us is that if SE fixed Diadem tonight, then I'd be just as eager to play as I was last month. But this game will never be what you're looking for, yet for some reason you're still lurking around. Yes, you're right about one thing... you do have more time on your hands than I do.



To be totally fair, if you honestly resub after every patch to revisit the game (or even once every couple of patches), then I take back what I said about you being out of touch. But I'd be surprised if you really do this, considering by now we all know what kind of game FFXIV is and always will be... and you really don't seem to like it... so why keep paying for it?

Again, that's the big difference between us. I really enjoy the vertical progression system and the overall structure of the game... I just need some type of endgame to call my own, and hardcore raids will never be the answer. I don't want the entire game to be turned into a prettier version of FFXI, and I'm not interested in SE trying to discover some kind of crazy MMO innovation. I'm not asking for the wheel to be reinvented... just some small adjustments would make me a happy camper. We'll see if they happen. If not, then oh well.


Edited, Dec 20th 2015 7:52pm by Thayos

Let's be honest.....

If I was inactive since 2.4 and I wanted to come back and see they've introduced a relic and I look up the steps and they strike me as ODDLY FAMILIAR to what I last did before I quit, I can immediately talk about every single in detail, without having to play. Does it matter if I grinded out obsolete Alexander or not? Or actually did a fate? (Darkscale fate is unique!...let's forget that Svara Fate is the exact same since 2013 without the gear drops..no no it's not..there's something else fighting it aside just us!..oh you mean an NPC like in numerous other FATEs since 2013?) and so on? By the way - it's oddly familiar the Alexander run count (800 total) is the same non-bonus light farming when you do the math of farming Alex Floors, Tome purchases and Beastment currency farming.

Time commitments or not, this game really isn't designed with lasting content in mind, and no matter how many times I state "why I play", it's always wrong because I don't praise the game because quite honestly, the VERY FACT you have some of the more hardcore "this game is perfect" people actually upset as well and finally to a point of "ok this is silly now I thought things would change" speaks volumes. Whether or not you're easy to satisfy is a completely different story, but it's been half a year since Heavenswards.

What has changed? What has this game brought? I mean, whether someone wants to agree with me or not is moot, but an expansion is supposed to expand and change the game. Why in the name of holy **** was I sent into Temple of Qarn Hard Mode? Something COMPLETELY unrelated to any current lore being an OPTIONAL DUNGEON to begin with? Why am i touching ANY 2.x content for 3.1+ content..? Stuff like that, no matter how much you like that, can be agreed is silly.

It happened in XI where you went back to older areas, sure..but majority of ToAU content for example (sticking with the XIV overall timeline) had me do things in ToAU..related to ToAU. It didn't tell me: "Hey, remember that dragon you killed for rank 3 in 2002? Go farm it."

Quite honestly though, this game is too extreme with it's vertical progression. There's nothing wrong with vertical progression as long as there's some horizontal to break it up or slow it down, but now SE is to the point of OBSOLETING CONTENT upon the same patch. That's is AMAZING in all its own for the wrong ways. Then the relic wasn't retrofitted after the TWO TIME DELAY to be more up to date where most people playing (even you, Thayos) are - i170 base weapons to i200? 170 is nothing, why did it start there? It's obvious 170 was meant to be at the start of 3.0 and it's why it uses the same model as the Eso weapon.

My key difference is, if SE were to fix content, they'd do it too late and "fix it" in a way that is meaningless. Why do they even have to fix Diadem when they could have done it right the first time? You know, "we worked hard on Heavensward, which is why we took a months vacation."...why did the Relic quest not utilize Diadem, expansion content? An expansion using Expansion content? It's fine to enjoy the game or be easily pleased, but this is why I'm noticing even the most dedicated players just say "i'm done"..not on Chocobo, no...not on Sargatanas..no...I'm talking about even on Balmung, the most populated NA server.

Every other server had a noticable hit after the relic came out because it started with Heavensward: "Okay...we grinded out 2.0-2.57 to death and now there's an expansion coming out that's stated to COMPLETELY CHANGE the way you play the game because of skillspeed and spell changes, oh and new rotations! Flying mounts! So maybe there will be flying content since they emphasis flight so much!...Alexander is going to be amazing! Maybe something like coil but a story/normal mode for people who just want to see the story without the coil difficulty? Bismarck and Ravana will be epic!.....Okay that was lackluster.....maybe 3.1 will change things because it's the first major update of the expansion, and Diadem will come out which has Flight involved and it kind of seems like Dynamis, so it's going to be amazing......okay...........that was lack luster too........ughh....well relics will finally come out will change things since yoshi promised me (as he always does!) it won't be like the zodiac questline and the power will be equal to the grind, surely he won't have us do Atmas again since he has more than enough feedback and even commented on that no one liked it and even he himself had trouble getting them........okay I'm done, break time or completely time to let go.."

Basically, it's a build up that finally snapped some people, even the most dedicated (I do read the official forums and actually communicate with people in game on each server I play on..I keep tabs because I actually like to see, FOR MYSELF how the game is doing because I actually put in the time and effort in every aspect of it (except for RP as I'm not an Rper, but my brother and cousin are, so I watch their RPs and OOC comments and even see coalitions have asides about the state of the game that equals my views (they could do so much more.)"

"This game will never be what you want" is always kind of a sad thing to say because, the game "I want" is a game where SE shows they know how to create an MMORPG, have creativity and actually use the talents of their developers in meaningful ways instead of shoving us off into obsolete content and call it new content. This is why people were initially pissed off with Abyssea and Wings of the Goddess in XI because it reused similar zones but it was BRAND new content even if one was an alternate reality or the past. WotG had slow development because of 1.0 as well.

Despite that, you never once heard SE, or any other developer, state they can't do something because the servers would crash. Why do people accept that excuse so they don't have to add content? Why are people buying into the PR to buy more retainers if we want more inventory space? This game is a F2P heaven without the F2P development attached to it. GW2 had an AMAZING expansion..and all we did was buy the game and be about our way..no sub fees....nothing. They have a cash shop but if their cash shop is the reason for that amazing expansion pack, what about XIV's cash shop ANNNNNNNNNND sub fee?

So the game I want it to be? An MMO that shows love and care went into it. If that's clearly too much to ask for, honestly don't be surprised if in the coming months you see more and more people leave or go on extended breaks because of disappointment because when you think SE and FF..you think far better than we've gotten. Not everything worked in XI but they sure as hell seemed to have done so much with it despite being hindered by the PS2. "XIV has way better graphics! A way different battle system!" all the more reason XIV should be superior in every way. The whole purpose of the Luminious branch engine for XIV rather than go to Unreal or something was because it's an engine SE is already familiar with and for ease of development (per their own words during Beta.)

So will things change in 3.2? Sure there's always the possibility things will dramatically change and the game will be revived in many areas that need it. Is it likely? Not really..since when you shovel your money into SE's pockets for doing almost nothing, why do they need to change their ways? So many people play for their friends more so than the game, which is why even on the OF and reddit you have people who say if their friends left they would leave as well. Are people wrong because someone disagrees? No, because we're in the current state we are now because SE seem intent on sticking to what they did since 2013 even though if this was any other game, people would be far less accepting. Look at WoW's current state - Blizzard ****** up and they're suffering for it, is it going to die? It possibly could, but is very obviously bleeding out? Yes, yes it is.. But if it was Final Fantasy XIV, people would be giving Yoshi hugs and saying the game is perfect.

Why didn't relic utilize expansion content? Why was it the same content, they promised it wouldn't be? Yoshi went on record to say it will NOT be like the zodiac quest grind...yet here we are. I think a post on reddit said it best:

"The honeymoon period is finally over for a lot of people."

It doesn't hurt to take a break. You can always come back and catch up in a few weeks.
I was talking to some of my friends last night in skype in FFXIV and they told me take a break. I was talking with Xando the FC leader of Zam and he echoed the same thing with the LS people and people he talks too are all feeling the same about the game right now. We were talking too if subscription decline in FFXIV and increase in FFXI maybe they will get the hint.

Honestly people taking breaks may actually be the best thing for the game. Maybe it will be a wake up call they need to do something anyway. People like you and I are very well informed when it comes to FF and know when to come back...

By the way your comment earlier on your house...
Sell it.. you can get lot of them... Tesee has had offers.. Most are willing to pay above and beyond what a house normally sells for. Put on your sign for sale..

Hey does anyone know is there still a gill restriction on moving servers for FFXIV.



Edited, Dec 21st 2015 12:01pm by Nashred

There is, so you either convert it to something you can resale for a profit, or you get what you need now. 1 million transfer cap on character, 100,000 max on retainers. Converting 72 million was a pain on server transfer since only made back 51mil ish. So research items on the server(s) you're moving to.