Housing ReclamationFollow

And all I pretty much explain is, it breaks down to:

The less you play the game. The happier you are with it - meaning the game is designed to NOT be played. You play 2 hours a week? You're set. You can dedicate more time to it? Guess what, the game isn't for you.

The misconception comes with "hardcore" - Being able to play the game and knowing your job isn't hardcore. The fact these people I've been helping on balmung has been wiping to Ravana Ex for 2 weeks constantly, dedicating 1 hour every few days to it means if that's the playerbase Yoshi wants to focus on..of course anything slightly challenging will be seen as "hardcore." Which is why Savage Alexander can't be used as any raiding example, because it took OPTIONAL content design and FORCED it as raid content for progression, when Coil, as shown by the numbers, has a 10000000x% more completion rate than Savage Alexanderr ever will. So it's not jaded - It's the truth. If you play the game consistently in any sense of progression, you will run out of content, you will get bored. If you barely play the game, you're set for life because the fact they obsolete every bit of content won't bother you because you have nil reason to progress your character if you're not touching content.

It's not developed for midcore either - Because they have yet to introduce midcore content. It's either faceroll easy or the playerbase will wait until they nerf the living hell out of it to even touch it and STILL fail it constantly.

I know the poor choice of wording in this thread has made things seem a little exaggerated. That being said, there's 46 pages worth of arguing over this same issue on the official forums. It's an issue for quite a few people.

I know this isn't exactly the same thing, but should they also delete all inactive characters on Balmung with X play time or less? Or delete some items in their inventory to help alleviate the servers for the current paying population? I mean, it's just digital property and they didn't play for long, so who cares right? That way current subscribers could actually get their friends on Gilgamesh, Balmung, etc. Some people invested insane amounts of time saving up the gil for their homes. Upwards of the 100 millions on some servers, that's some serious playtime just thrown down the crapper.

Anyways, I know it's not exactly the same as the housing, but some players have invested some serious time and money into their homes. Like I say, I see both sides of the coin here. What means next to nothing for someone in game, might mean a whole lot more to someone else. I've taken at least 2 long breaks from this game, had I cancelled my sub at the times, I would of lost my homes. Yet, I came back for 6-7 month stretches after, just seems ridiculous to lose your house or any item for that matter in this day and age.

Edited, Oct 21st 2015 5:48pm by Montsegurnephcreep

Just so we're clear, I'm selfish because I want content to be 100% accessible with no resource loss due to inactivity involved?

I mean, I am arguing with someone who's apparently okay with only 2% of the population getting a house and flipping any of that 2% the bird if they opt to quit for a bit, right? Are you that bitter because you want a house? Or have we ventured into the territory where it's just because I'm the one making the counterpoints, we don't yield because letting Seri be right is an internet crime? Note for other readers: I'm not above making fun of myself.

If me being selfish is wanting a game dev to not only do things the right way, but well, fine, guilty as charged. If the implication is they rushed housing out like this to appease a vocal minority, then SE has rightfully earned every ounce of ridicule and scorn people are giving them over the issue. You are not a better or wiser person because you happen to be paying a sub at the moment. A pivotal factor in preventing upkeep soon. I ignored your earlier inquiry to such because I knew where that questioning would go. I could've said I'm playing right this moment and you'd probably want proof. And if I gave it, then what? I'm just a stupid head whose opinion doesn't matter because SE has "the numbers" or some other self-flagellation? I could say I haven't played since Legacy and you'd just feel further justified in trying to silence me. Anywhere in between is pretty much more of the same.

Is all this posturing because you think I'm playing the role of preludes and declaring XIV will be dead soon because of this? Nah, I don't think that. I don't think it will help, however. People will lose friends because of it. You might lose some, even. People still won't have house. Some will have lost millions of gil. Want peace of mind? Yours for the low, low price of $12.95 a month! Perhaps SE's the truly selfish one in this picture.

Edited, Oct 21st 2015 6:06pm by Seriha

Do you think that people who only play two or three months per year (or less) should take precedence over active players? That's how you come across, and that makes you selfish.



Where did you get that 2 percent figure from? That might actually be true now, given the number of inactive players who have houses... but otherwise, I'll need to ask for a source on that figure.



Bitter? What are you talking about? I already have a house... have had one for a long time. And guess what? I barely use it, even though I play pretty often. I've thought about selling it, actually.



I'm actually showing how you're being a hypocrite. There is no right or wrong here. You called me selfish, and you justified your feelings on an even more selfish point of view. Don't shoot the messenger.



What is this vocal minority you're talking about? When SE launched ARR, the housing system had already been promised as being on the way. This had nothing to do with appeasing any "vocal minority." I'm honestly not sure where you even pulled that from.



Nor have I claimed to be better or wiser for subbing to a video game. In fact, I'd probably say gaming is detrimental to being a responsible adult, but I don't care. It's a fun addiction.



Are you talking about when I asked how long it has been since you played? I didn't want to outwardly hypothesize that you haven't played in months. It really doesn't matter, anyway. All that really matters is you now have FOUR MONTHS to decide if your in-game house is important enough to renew your sub for a month. And that's plenty of time to come up with a plan that shouldn't shatter your in-game world.



LOL, why on earth would I want proof? Are you going to come after my family or something if I don't find any proof? I really don't care that much. Like I said, it's irrelevant anyway, considering there's still four months before anything actually happens.



See above.



My whole point is that people are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overreacting to this. And a lot of people who are wildly overreacting are people who haven't played in months, and weren't planning to play again for months.

I can't even think of a real-life example to compare this to, because I don't think one exists. You're choosing to get pissed about something that literally wouldn't affect you. SE could have just ninja-wiped your house, and you probably wouldn't have figured it out until sometime next year.

Here's the big problem with your view... going back to the very first thing you said:



That's the problem... you can't have both. The way this housing content was built, the content can't be kept accessible without some form of lot turnover. So if there's no resource loss, then the content effectively becomes locked -- no more access for anyone. But if you have lot turnover, then the content will always be accessible, even if it's infrequent.

So then the question becomes, "What's the best way to have lots turn over?" And I can't think of a better answer than to reclaim lots from inactive players.

But you can't have both, and that's why you and I aren't seeing eye-to-eye here.

I also don't like dealing in "wouldas, couldas, shouldas," which is why I'm focused on the reality that we must work with the housing system we have.

Edited, Oct 21st 2015 3:53pm by Thayos

I can't have both? You mean, if I go log into my Rift character, the Dimension I've been using for storage would be gone because I haven't played there in a while? Actually, it'd still be there. Why? Because Trion took a better approach to housing. As have countless other games who have faced this issue in one form or another.

You're defending bad design here. When I say 100% accessible, I mean anyone with the gil for the right house size can walk up, pay for it, and get their house, and it'd be there as long as the servers are up. Right now, this isn't the case. Some people can't afford the steep gil cost. Plot limitations are the next obvious factor. Lack of instancing in favor of the "neighborhood" vibe is the last monkey wrench which is now prompting the destruction of resources you're okay with throwing away because you want to make assumptions about the playing habits of strangers. What we ultimately have are a bunch of RPers keeping content from 98% of the players. Much as I like RPing, I'm not that daft.

Terrible system. Terrible "fix" to it. Terrible service as a result.

Whether or not it's bad design has absolutely no impact on the discussion here. Yes, SE probably could have designed the entire system differently, but they didn't. All the coulda, woulda, shouldas in the world don't change reality.




To me that says a FC house is safe as long as someone in the FC is using it, even if the leader doesn't log in.

That's good!

That would have been a legit problem.

Someone on the official forums said he was concerned about losing his house because, even though he plays several times a week, he never actually goes into his house.

....

I personally log out from inside my little cottage every night. I made it as lovely and comfortable as I could. I have a retainer bell in case I need to send them out overnight. I have an NPC merchant to replenish any missing immediate supplies and sell crap in my inventory. Sometimes I even change into PJs if I'm feeling silly. It provides a sense of closure, and the next time I log in I'm right on my front lawn, ready for another round of adventure.

Thanks, Cat. Now I'll be spending some Gil on a few upgrades

It's the nightie that SE didn't test before releasing.

Look at that tail clip. Just look at it.

You'll get several notifications reminding you to enter your house after a month-and-a-half of not doing so.

Really, it's like two clicks.... click on your door, then click to enter. Just do that once every 90 days. Again, this is not worth a complaint. If you care so little about your house that two clicks over a 90-day period isn't worth it, then you won't convince me that you'd really be that upset over losing your house.

In the meantime, why not have some fun with it?

I don't use my house for gardening or raising chocobos. Every now and then, I just buy a piece of furniture and play around with the layout. It's fun and casual. You don't need SE to say, "You need to use your house this way." Just play around with it and have fun.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2015 11:44am by Thayos

Set a reminder on your cell phone... set it to go off after 60 days. That still leaves you 30 days to click twice on the door of your house.

Put a post-it note on your screen.

Or, do as I said above... have fun with your house! Buy a new furnishing every month, or craft something new, just for the hell of it. Post your decoration screenies here for all of us to oooh and ahhhh over.

Get "Cat" pajamas and log out in your bed every once in awhile.

If the thought of clicking twice on your door is literally making you "angry," then you're not playing the game right.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2015 11:48am by Thayos